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Let the Living, Live Still
- A poem by Billy Steven, "Steve" Crider, Benjamin
Let the dead bury the dead. Let the living, live still.
No more trees standing firm as love's former testament, braving the winds of ill will.
No groundskeeper beholds birds chirping, tasting the salt of a days labor now passed,
The groundskeeper's green pastures, once fertile, now but a field,
Thorns and thistles now rule the ground which once to children and dog's playing, did yield.
The air now silent, no more stones in their places to mark the land you loved so dear,
No marker for love remembered through life's losses, no bluebird's songs grace the ear,
A mystery to most, a mockery to many,
Search the truth that remains, Dear children of Light,
Can you see any?
An ant hill to some, a castle for others,
But to those with the birthright, it was a home and a kingdom,
Represented by your Children, your Fathers', your Mothers'.
Contention is abomination between lovers, brothers and "Love" spoken a lie
Sell tickets, offer rides? What were you thinking? Is that a beam in "my eye?"
I offer a mystery, my word you should try...
Called by the God of Zechariah, to pry:
A bastard once governed Judah A Jebusite by birthright, and an heir by the promise.
Behold two branches in my hand join together, a third goes from among us.
The truth is for lovers'; a reward of praying, to those seeking,
A pearl of great price you'll find searching, the secret worth keeping.
A thing need be purchased, but was not meant for sale:
Memorials are for the living, whose faith doth not fail.
To those called to your purpose, you need know no shame,
Honor above possessions, you, called according my name,
A proclamation I tell you, that Your prayers have been heard,
He's sent you his servant, it's written in his word,
He's shown me his secrets, your healing, now his will...
"Let the dead, bury the dead"...Let the living, live still.
"No retreats, No regrets"
Micah 4:6
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ATTENTION#
BDSDA, BDSDA LOR, NEW LIGHT HIDDEN MANNA BDSDA
CONSIDER THIS MY THESIS UPON YOUR DOOR
MICAH 4:6
Charles Pace...I have a message for you sir.
The testimony of Billy Steven Crider,
"Benjamin".
"Who can declare the end from the Beginning?"
8:51 PM est. September 12, 2007.
It is just before 9 PM September 12. I have just pushed send on the last email of a email
sent out to a small group of contacts. It is a fairly normal evening. As normal as any
evening can be for one who experiences visions. "
That's right, visions. My name is Billy Steven Crider. My God given name, Given to me
in a vision of David Koresh in September 2000, is Benjamin. An Account which has
been made Known in person to the The Branch Davidian Survivors, first Edna Doyle, as
I would tell her in April of 2001 with a handful of various news reports, that I had been
troubled by visions since 1995, that in January of 2001, just a couple months prior,
that I had awaken, told that I was to finish the work that David Koresh started, that I
would be given two signs. Signs which came to pass, heralding a series of events...all of
which were forecast by Visions to myself and Myself to others. I told her that I had sent
word of such events to them via email to the Seven Seals.com site. Only to be told that
it was being run by a survivor at that time, Renos Avraam. When she told me he had
rejected the group after they had questioned him about the doctrine presented on the
site, he declared them apostates...I immediately showed her scripture in the book of
Zecheriah, told her it had been revealed to me for two months and I had been
prophesying the event which she had told me of concerning Renos. As God revealed to
me at that timeframe that the individual running the site was "the temporary shepard
who went astray." At this time to my knowledge, and by accounts made to me from
other Survivors, he has nothing to do with the Seven Seals site. In the years since, I
have reported many unusual encounters to Clive Doyle and Ron Goins. Now mind you I
am giving testimony, and do not seek to exploit such encounters in effort to imply that
I am endorsed by the Branch Davidians.
I am merely stating that they know of my claims in such matters. I consider Clive my
friend and he hasn't impressed me as accepting nor rejecting any of my doctrine one
way or the other. He has on many occaision offered an open ear, occaisional counsel,
answered my many questions, and often engaged in discussions of doctrine and world
events.
I am aware of the many different individuals out there spouting this doctrine or that,
implying affiliations and claiming to be the next leader of the church. Your probably
wondering what makes me any different.
Well first, yes I do present doctrine, I do feel I have a message for this generation, but I
do not claim to be a prophet, though I do maintain my commision as cited to me in
January of 2001.
While I do not claim to be a prophet, I have many documented accounts with various
Government agencies and members in the meteorological community, lately even
popular daytime talkshows, and as well a small online group of email contacts who
recieve letters citing doctrine and making account of events which I predicted,
prophesied, forecast...whatever word suits your fancy, the result was the same, I said
they would happen before they happend, After I said such, they happened.
Earthquakes, Floods, Plane crashes, Hurricanes etc. etc.
All along I have maintained that the greater emphasis was not the manifestation of such
events, but moreso the message which God has given me, the message with which he
has used these events to draw attention to.
So here we are, September 12, 8:51 PM. I have just pressed send on an email.
Since June I have warned that a Category 5 storm would enter the Gulf of Mexico this season.
Dean fulfilled that on August 15-22. Since June I had warned that Galveston would get
hit by a hurricane this season. On August 14 and 15 the following excerpt was sent out:
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****************EXCERPT EMAIL 8/15/07*************************
I wish to discuss "DEAN" in this letter. Primarily to further illuminate the
process I sometimes go through, though not always with
these...Predictions. You see sometimes I hear an audible voice giving me
information, this is accompanied by a strong sensation, one like you feel as
a child when your Grandmother is speaking and means business. I heed
those warnings without question, and for good reason. Experience has
dictated that course to be a prudent one.
Other times, I get dreams, or information will come from various stimuli. I
can be watching tv, or hear a word spoken, read a headline, or a passage in a
book, most any form of stimulation including smells, and I will get a
"sensation", one which says "this is signifigant, this is future." Even at
times, illuminating the past and the present.
I don't wish to preach in this letter or get religious, save to point that those
aspects have played into this at times, many times, and have relevance, but
as you have seen that process seems haphazard and chaotic many times.
| | ...As I said I wish to further illuminate on a process I sometimes go through
with these "predictions."
It is as I said, not always religious, or definite. Sometimes it is intutive. Basing
a conclusion upon a combination of several factors including but not limited
to past revelations, past predictions ( fulfilled, partially fullfilled, and
unfufilled) sometimes memories of a past conversation, or conversations, and
yes, a little faith. It's kind of like I have a strong intuition about a thing, but
remain uncertain. And so I wait, and sometimes while wating the intuition
remains present, but at the bottom of my relevant list of daily thoughts.
Sometimes it gets forgotten completely and in either case as time passes, more
details attach sensations of meaning to the original intution.
It's kind of like, You go to a bar, you see this really cute Girl, and you think,
"hey, I'm in love." Then you dismiss the idea.
Later in the evening she says hello, and you dismiss the original intuition,
you do pay attention. At last call, she's only had four beers and thinks your absolutely
charming and you say to yourself "I knew I was in Love." LOL! Crude, but you get the point.
Same thing, only picture..."Galveston is going to get hit with a strong Hurricane."
And You bury it in your mind, but then you begin warning people for several weeks
verbally through July and into August, that Texas is Going to get hit by a strong hurricane,
in the region between Corpus Christie and Louisiana, Add to this your concerned about an
Island, and take into consideration the location of South Padre'. Now add a waking vision
of a swirl pattern in the Same Location, add a continual nagging since the 1st week of June
when you observed an Invest off the African coast that had the potential but failed to
become Chantal, and Add that not only did Chantal recently occur intensifying your focus to
the Gulf of Mexico due to your continuing concerns,but the fact that the name Chantal as a
signifigant factor to a hurricane was actually spoken to you by some unseen entity back in
May, now add...well you can see this has been on my mind for quite some time. Take into
consideration that the date August 15th has been in my mind for over a month now.
The Date 15th has been strongly enforced in my mind since June 21st when I sent an email
with May 10th and July 15th in the subject heading.
When I placed that in that in the heading, I was doing so with intent of referring to it later
after the fact as I have often done through these letters and verbally through the years.
This is a defense mechanism I developed long ago to avoid being mocked and ridiculed.
I dont like that anymore than anyone else. But this is important and so I should explain now
as I am making not of ...well let's just say a strong concern rather than a prediction, that when
I placed that title in the subject heading I was making reference to a hurrican via the original
content of the May 10 email which compose on May 8th made references contained in a
Feb 16 email, to a swirl pattern and concerns for both NC and Texas.
If I tried to go any further into detail it would only make your head swim, what is important
is that you consider past results, and know that I have a course of logic to these suspicions.
The Bottom line is on May 10 I expected a strong storm. I documented it. sent it to myself.
sent it again thru US postal service, my concerns elevated from strong storm to Hurricane,
with a timeline, I sent it again through US postal service, it happened.
On June 21, I had strong concerns for a Hurricane to Strike the US, the date
15th was overwhelming in my mind.
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Now this letter was written on the 15th, as Dean was a category 1 storm, I by the leading
of the spirit, would go on to warn of it's size and landfall date accurately. And now that
I think about it there was something different about September 12, 2007.
You see on August 5th, and 6th I began warning of both the aforementioned events,
a Category 5 storm to enter the Gulf, and Galveston to be struck by a Hurricane,
But I was also specifically concerned with an earthquake to strike San Diego in a certain timeline.
In July of 2002, on the 25th, after having sent a letter to Strawberry Islands Press, contacting
several individuals by phone, I sent an email to San Diego OES, thier disaster preparedeness
agency. What different about September 12, 2007? Well the San Diego OES was now in my
mailing list. You see I had not had any contact with them since 2002. That changed on
August 26, 2007, when I sat to my PC to find a file open, one I knew I did not open.
I knew despite the fact that I had projected a timeline for next year, that there was an
immediate need to contact San Diego and call for prayer for the city from my group. The
following is the opening from that letter which would warn of both my continued concerns
for Galveston, and a quake to San Diego that would be "not a microquake."
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dateAug 26, 2007 6:04 PM
subjectFwd: quake map...
hide details 8/26/07 Reply
My Name is Billy Steven Crider. I contacted an agency for Disaster preparedness
in San Diego on July 25, 2002. I recieved a reply from a Mrs. OMITTED FOR PRIVACY.
I believe this was the agency, if so, and if she is still there, please fwd this to her.
If not then feel free to read it in either case.
I have concerns for your area, and have now for about a month...
Date: Aug 26, 2007 6:43 PM
Subject: quake map...
To:
cridercreativeworks@gmail.com
- Hide quoted text -
I sat at my PC this morning and a file I had considered sending you recently was
on my screen. I didn't open the file. Yet there it was, opened...waiting.
Due to the nature of recently expressed concerns, I am going to send it to you now.
It is a picture of a USGS field report.
On July 25, 2002, I contacted the San Diego Emergency Disaster Preparedness
Agency. I cited concerns that one or two earthquakes would strike by month's
end effecting San Diego, Coronado, or both.
I cited that I believed that the seven seals of Revelations had been being opened
since 1995 and that I had just prior to 26 Texas Counties being declared National
Disaster Areas earlier that month, Warned Texans and others for over 2 months
that Texas would flood in June, and that I had stated verbatim that it would
be declared a national disaster area.
There were over 1000 earthquakes reported in USGS field reports in the
Southern California Region during the period of July 2002.
I looked at every single one of them.
There was ONE, Only one reported earthquake in San Diego County during
the same timeframe. It transpired July 27th 2002, two days after I sent the
email to the San Diego Emergency Disaster Preparedness Agency.
In light of my recently expressed concerns for a large earthquake in the area,
despite projected timelines, and the fact that there it was when I sat at my
PC I am going to send it to you now.
It will be at the end of this letter. I will attach this letter as a doc.
File as well, in the event you cannot view them from your email server.
As you well know, not all but many, in fact most of the events that transpired
with the "Five States" warnings earlier this year, the tornadoes, the snowstorms,
transpired within 2 -3 days of each warning, (and dependably so at one point)
including an Earthquake in San Francisco.
Culminating to the Flooding of the Missouri river in the first week of May, fulfilling
the vision of which I spoke months prior, naming the Missouri as a possible
culprit to the vision in which I saw five western states inundated with flood waters,
and was told…tell them "Five States." I would do so, and this would come up for
five months, again and again and again.
The first letter with the warning concerning "five states" was sent on February 22,
in which I was concerned and warned of the floods which would strike central Texas,
forecast a timeline of "2-3 weeks away in Mid-March" ( they struck the region I indicated
on March 13 ) and then later in the same email I stated—
"I am not a groundhog, I don't follow the almanac, I am a servant of Jah' and his
judgement is come. This world is filled with violence as it was in the
days of Noah. The blood of the Prophets has come before us. Gods'
people are being called out that they " be not partakers of her
plagues." I have been told to tell you… "five states."
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2 days later, August 28, 2007 an earthquake Struck San Diego at Ocotillo well,s the quake was
indeed "not a microquake" as it was about 3.7 in Magnitude. From that point forward at the leading
of the Spirit they have been included in these emails.
On September 10, 2007 the following was sent out as well including meterologists and San Diego OES:
two weeks ago I called for prayer for Jacksonville, for those of you who have been praying
for them, thank you. When Gabrielle made landfall today at Cape Lookout, did anyone else
happen to pay attention to the actuall storm activity, it wasn't in the eye, but rather coming
right up beside Jacksonville into Moorehead city. Again thank you. Galveston is still a concern,
please focus your attention there now and keep them in your prayers, as there is now another
system potentially forming in the gulf of Mexico.
On September 12, at 8:51 PM, depite the projected forecasts of meterologists for a tropical storm in the
gulf of Mexico to not make landfall until the next afternoon at the soonest, and to do so no stronger than
a tropical storm, and despite the fact that Galveston residents would trust the same and go to sleep
with no worries... The following was sent:
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************EMAIL TO SD OES 9/12/07 **********************
Date: Sep 12, 2007 8:51 PM
Subject: Pray for Galveston...
To:
cridercreativeworks@gmail.com
Last week as Gabrielle made landfall near Jacksonville, actually in Cape Lookout,
it's rainbands stayed southward over Jacksonville and Moorehead, on the one hand
I had prayed the night prior for Jacksonville, and while it seems disaster was
averted, Farmers who have been eagerly anticipating it's hope of rain may not think so.
Buy rice.
I have told you of concerns for Galveston for weeks. This is it.
Pray for them, it's going to be bad.
San Diego, Los Angeles, Jacksonville, now Galveston, I have asked pray for these
cities for weeks, First making an isssue on Aug.26 of San Diego and Los Angeles
two days prior to an earthquake in San Diego, and about a week prior to a quake
which would affect both San Diego and Los Angeles, And days after Aug 29 when
I would specifically request prayer for LA.
PLEASE PRAY FOR THEM NOW, I DONT WANT TO SPECULATE WHY< JUST BEGIN PRAYING NOW!
I have for a couple of weeks been greatly concerned for tommorrow Sept 13, assoicating
that concern with September 11th. I don't know, perhaps it was to all point to Galveston.
Next Florida. I just know that in the past 3 weeks two cities in which I expressed concern
for earthquakes have been struck by quakes, and two cities which I have expressed concerns
over these cyclonic storm systems, have experienced them. I told you before these events,
these meterological events paled to the greater message of prophetic fullfilments which
are transpiring. Be ready. Watch and Pray.
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Just hours later Hurricane Humberto would startle frightened residents of High Island in Galveston
county as it woke them unexpectedly, and it would make history in the same timeframe,
becoming the fastest forming storm in recorded history.
A Storm that was to go from an invest, to a tropical depression, to a tropical storm, to a a full
blown category 1 Hurricane just after Midnite, just hours after the above warning was sent, and
to finally to make land fall a couple hours later, all in under 16 hours. All to the surprise of
Galvesonians and most of the rest of the world, all except a small band of praying souls, united
only by the raving emails of an unorthodox ex-baptist preacher.
In order to understand how an ex-baptist preacher came to deal with visions, we have to go back
a little way. To the pivotal event. In 1993 I was already an ex-Baptist preacher, when I saw the
article "sinful messiah" prior to the siege at Waco, I saw past the media hype and I recognized
the spiritial signifiagance of the man demonized in the article.
1993 "Backsliding...or moonwalking?"
In 1993 I was already an ex-Baptist preacher, I was disillusioned with the mainstream
Church Body after the treatment I recieved from a congreagation in light of false accusations
made against me during the dissolution of my marriage.
1986-1991 "How I got where I got...."
I understand their actions, I understood them in the timeframe. My wife was the Church princess,
having grown up in fellowship with the nucleus of the congregation. The daugther of two parents
married for 3 decades and owners of 2 long standing businesses in the community and several rental properties.
I was the Bad boy from across the tracks who "got religion"on December 10, 1986, the product of
parents who at that time shared 13 marriages between them (now 16), I was a convicted felon and
former teenaged drug dealer in a time before anyone had ever heard of crack cocaine when I could
count the people who were both my age in my city and involved at the levels I was on two hands.
Still, my conversion at 18 was strong and the changes radical, so much so that I had to go back and
confront older drug dealers after months of sobriety having recieved word of threats made against my
life due to those same radical changes and fear that I was a Narc. I was told "nobody changes that fast,
nobody, it takes people years to make those kinds of changes." I used the opportunity to share my
testimony and then I challenged them and told them in front of a crowd of their own, if they were going
to kill me, then do so in the moment or quit running their mouths, assured them I of all people was not
a narc, and took my leave. This would not be the last time such and event would occur.
I felt in the timeframe, that my strong conversion, my merit should have warranted more attention to my
denials in the face of the accusations made.
I totally get how the congregation could have erred on the side of right in face of the allegations, but I had
denied the accusations adamantly and when the truth came out, and my ex-wife quietly dimissed herself
and became a member of a sister congregation, no apologies were offered, but they weren't demanded either.
Still the damage had been done, and after struggling with the issues of my failing marriage and trying to
continue on in the church for a few months, when I was called into private, and asked by the pastor of the
church to leave the congregation. Well, for lack of a better word I was disillusioned, but that seems
somewhat of an understatement.
I maintained a relationship with God for a while, and ultimately when He who had shown me whom
I would marry, told me of the presence of my child in my wifes womb, before she herself knew, when
That God, my God, refused to give me my way and restore my marriage, I became angry.
For 2 years I refused to speak to God. I delved into taoism, spirtialism, even witchcraft. When I finally
resumed a relationship with God, I was once again a drug dealer, caught up in lifestyle that ultimately
would take me a decade to leave and 3 years to walk away from, from the point I actually made
up my mind to do so.
I recall that A friend had warned me before I ever embarked upon that path "Steve, you have be carefull,
and be sure what you do, you can get involved with somethings that you can't just walk away from,
other people won't let you, there's just too much money involved."
1991-1993
Now my marriage ended, my dreams of becoming a pastor ended as that denomination in that timeframe
would not allow a man to pastor a church if he were divorced, though that has now changed, and ultimately
my social structure had collasped entirely as there was a general uncomfortable air and I was ultimately
asked to leave the congregation.. Yeah, I was disillusioned.
I went back to people whose religion I understood,
I went back to dealing after five years of sobriety.
But for the record, though I was several years out of the ministry, I never quit preaching.
The bible was often the topic of conversation amongst my friends, irregardless of drug use.
I was called "Rev" and "preacher" And while I did much harm to myself in that lifestyle, I was looked
to as an authority in such matters and used the opportunities of their often inquiries into those arenas
to teach them doctrine and information they would otherwise not be exposed to. In 1991 and 1992
I wasn't speaking to God, and our topics of Bible related issues were usually forced upon me, but I was polite,
participated and answered as best I could. I was often reminded of my status as an "ex" preacher.
Once, while at a friends house who was notorius and blatant in his stance as public rebel, some
very well dressed young men came to visit. They were Jehovah's witnesses come to "save us",
but they would witness something quite different, while not very enthusiastic about "the Church"
I was still more than willing to engage holders of what I percieved to be "false doctrine", having
been trained to know thier arguments, doctrine and flaws in thier logic.
In fact most of those early conversations between my friends and I about God and the bible
were not about finding righteousness, but rather about dispelling with religous zealots.
In the Bible Belt, in NC at that timeframe, the JWs were just on the apex of overcoming a long
standing public opinion of being a "cult." They still deal with that stigma to some deree, though
by prudent marketing tactics and a good PR campaign they now enjoy a greater degree of
tolerance. Anyway, here are these two guys in suits, and there we are, the air smells of Dope,
Rock and roll occult symbols are prevalent around the room with parafanalia to our affiliations
with a rock and roll fantasy lifestyle, heavy metal is blasting, and then something quite surprising
occurred. The two JW's already aware of and nervous in our surrounding, need no doctrinal
challenges to find exit, and leave rather hurridly after being told..."yeah...he used to be a
preacher...but he's back on our side now!"
I have to admit, it was pretty funny in the moment, but it did elicit a lot of personal reflection,
and none of us had any idea of the education we were going to recieve in the scriptures.
Least of all myself.
Soon rebellious jesting in our Bible studies gave way to serious inquiry and seeking of truth.
My friends found themselves legitimately interested in the things of God, I found myself
teaching what I would have once considered to be a rather odd lot. And when you teach,
you learn. If I did know an answer, I was honest about such, and I would seek it out to
report back at a later time. Their many questions forced me to learn.
I soon found my living room to contained a bong in one corner and a Bible study in another.
Yeah, I know how it sounds.
Still, I was often looked to as a voice of reason, and on more than one occaison people
came to me with thier most intimate problems, seeking scriptural guidance. As we witnessed
world events, Prophecy was often the topic of conversation, and as it had more practical use
in this life to people such as ourselves than doctrine. To people whose ideals of survivalism were
more related to surviving Life on this planet, than climbing social structures, Prophecy was
veiwed more so as a useful tool, than it was religious rhetoric. A map so to speak.
Doctrinal studies of one denomination versus another were often done without any air of
antagonism by those loosley affiliated with the same via upbringing or tradition. People who
continue this day to read the Bible and maintain a relationship with God, people who still
have issues with public churches and do not attend services. But People to whom God
Matters and People who matter to God, and know they do. And quite interestingly, people
who already accustomed to being shunned by society are more ready and likely to stand
for the things of God, the truths they have been given, than the majority of this worlds
parishoners having been numbed by luxury, and ever facing the fear of losing tolerance
in the face of being politically incorrect.
I found myself again with a body of believers whom I respected.
Now I am not justifying my drug usage, I know it was wrong, I knew it was wrong then.
I am simply maintaining that I returned to God and had an ongoing relationship, and
experienced true spirtial growth in those years despite my drug usage. God met me
where I was and I worked with the level of light I had been given where I was at.
I recieved an education in the scriptures.
I was shown a great many things which I often used to shock the conscious of those
would come at me spouting doctrines they never investigated for themselves, hailing
traditions whose origins they were oblivious to.
For instance, Did you know that scripture teaches that God...did not create Adam and Eve?
Outraged...it's true, read Genesis 5 verses 1 and 2. See for yourself,
Genesis 5:1 This is the book of the generations of Adam.
In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him:
Genesis 5:2 Male and female created he them; and blessed them,
and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created.
God Created Adam,not Eve. The male Adam, the female Adam. Eve is the name which
Mr. Adam gave to Mrs. Adam. I love stuff like that, the Bible is full of it,
try these...God is the creator of evil (Isa 45:7), heaven is not eternal (Rev 21:1), all in the scriptures.
Now after shocking someones reality with such, often the opportunity to have true Bible study arises.
One of my all time favorite bumper stickers read: "Eve was framed." I don't necessarily endorse
the message, but I love the attitude with which it is presented. I once suggested to a man that
he let me sleep with his wife as we debated Sabbath versus Sunday Keeping. He tried to use the
doctrine of dispensationalism to say that we were no longer under the law. I suggested to him if that
was the case, that he allow me to sleep with his wife, after all if the 4th commandment was no longer
an issue, that one shouldn't be either, as well I suggested we could do away with another commandment
and if my request did not set well with him, then he could sneak up an slay me as I lay with his wife
without fear of heavenly reprisal as the commandment "thou shalt not Kill" had no more bearing as well.
Anyway. My testimony.
I have been sober now in 2007, drug free, no dealing or using for over 6 years. I once supplied 4 cities
with contraband on a regular basis, smoked more than my share of crack, 3 packs of cigarrettes and
a quarter ounce to a half an ounce of weed on a daily basis for years, and I mean years.
I begged God to help me out of that life and he did, but not before he showed me the price of slavery,
showed me that I had made slaves of others by their addictions, and as a consequence became one
of my in the form of my addiction to crack cocaine. But God knew exactly what he was doing, as I said,
I had once cornered the market a major drug port, moving 6 figures a month, at one point having to
relocate to another city to hide out due to having a bounty placed upon my head by other dealers who
were already established and feared being run out of business after crossing me in a deal.
So it is 1992, I know that the things I am doing are illegal, I know what the churches of the world
would say about my activities, but I had seen their religion, it was religion which preached of a God
whom they believed was real, so long as he remained silent. These churches spoke of belief in the
supernatural events transpiring in the world, so long as they happened to those outside of the church,
and churches who boasted of vows it held as holy, but disregarded based upon convienience, and
honored covenant breakers over the truth based upon politics and financial standing.
Now all in all, when I resumed my relationship with God, I could have returned to such a place,
but with the dealers, I felt more honest believe it or not, at least there were no illusions of safety,
you knew where you stood, you knew the rules, and you knew never,
never trust any human wholeheartedly, never. Sadly at the time, a most unfortunate lesson.
I don't harbor such now. I don't consider trust amongst humans one way or the other and issue,
My trust, my faith is focused upon God, upon Jah'.
Sounds kinda bad when you put it that way, but like I said, all in all, they were the same lessons
I learned in the church, so I served God where I was at. In my opinion, I didn't see one crowd as
being any better than the other. I prayed, I studied, and I preached, I served God where I was at in life.
1993 Flash back to 1986 and following: Recounting - "The Baptist years"
I witnessed the events of 1993 as they played on TV. I was an ex-Baptist preacher having been
disfellowshipped upon going through a divorce. I was greatly disillusioned with the "system" but
my attraction to monitor the events of the season were due to my understanding of
Prophecy at the time. A newspaper article and a TV interview.
Even though I was living in the world, trying to pick up the pieces of my life, I continued sharing
knowledge of the scriptures. When first saw the news article "Sinful Messiah" in the ap news
release in my local Newspaper a day or so before the siege, I disregarded the rhetoric, the
sterotype portrayed, in my soul, I recognized the timeline, I told myself, "this is it..." I accepted
David as a messenger of God, having never heard a word he had spoken.
One of the key elements of dispute I had years earlier in the Baptist church was on Prophecy.
It was a common teaching in my denomination, The Independant Fundamental Baptists, that
God no longer speaks to man, there are no more prophets, Man has the complete word of
God in the form of the Bible and thus needs no more prophets.
I argued this point, I often cited that I believed God spoke to those who were willing to listen.
As a young preacher boy, in the spring of 1987 I was laughed at by three "men of God", a pastor,
an associate pastor and another preacher boy after an announcement I made on the
way to a preachers conference.
The conference was at First Baptist Church in Hammond Indiana. A "superchurch" before
there were such. Having a weekly attendance of 30,000 in the 1980's and run by Dr. Jack Hyles.
The Independant Baptist Movement was the result of a mass upheaval in the Southern Baptist
Convention(s) about 1940-1950, The movement was spearheaded by 3 primary individuals
leading the way, Dr. Hyles, Dr. John R. Rice and an odd sort of fellow, a Baptist evangelist
who observed and preached levitical dietary law.
The entire movement was considered radical by mainstream denominations
for their embracement of prophecy, doctrines on hidden prayer languages and such
by the Southern Baptists Convention, and as Baptists go,
in the 80s', were also considered radical for the views and practice of personal holiness and
separation.
Dr. Hyles, Dr. Rice and Lester Roloff share a common experience, they all went
to Bible College together, at Southwestern Baptist Theolgical Seminary, in Dallas,
(formerly a department of Baylor University in Waco TX), during the timespan of the
Houteff/Roden eras of the Branch Davidian Church. Now I have submitted on more than
one occaison in recent Years that Victor Houteff ineveitably influenced this movement
due the differences I witnessed in the manner in which the Southern Baptists, and the
Independant Fundamentalist embraced both prophecy and personal holiness. Though
I can't tell much difference between the two these days, in the 80's it was distinct, like
comparing and active pulse to a corpse.
Anyway, even with my former denominations higher degree of embracing prohecies, they
weren't so quick to embrace prophets. As we travelled the 12-15 hour journey to the
conference, the subject of Cynthia Ivey came up. Cynthia was a young girl from our church,
hailed as a very spiritial young lady, and attending Hyles- Anderson Bible College. The
3 men in the car were reminenscing and look forward to a reunion and suddenly erupted
into laughter when I announced, " I am going marry her."
You see, I was a very young "preacher boy", and still a relatively new, albeit zealous convert.
And I had never even formally met Cynthia. They all knew this. Cythia was raised in the
church, the church Princess so to speak, I was the extreme bad boy from across the tracks.
A former Drug dealer from a very, and I mean very broken background. We were not what
you say would have been a likely match.
One them stopped himself from laughing as the others continued and said,
" Why would you say that?"
I replied, "because God told me so."
This response caused a momentary shock, silence and another brief outburst of laughter.
Quote, unquote, "men of God" laughing at a child of God for daring to believe that God would
speak to him. "What do you mean, God told you?" another asked. I told them firmly, and
seriously, perhaps a little blushing at thier response, but honestly " I have known for some
time now, I prayed, And asked God who I was going to Marry, And he let me know, it is going to be her."
Laughter faded to looks of consternation, and conversation shifted to other matters.
Less than 2 years later, on November 5, 1988, one of those men would perfom the ceremony,
one would sign the cerificate as a witness and the other would be one of my groomsmen.
In 1988, 4 months after we married, we awoke one morning and I announced to my wife, "your pregnant."
She declared "what!?! Your crazy, what do you mean I'm pregnant?"
"God told me last night that we are going to have a child, your pregnant." I replied.
"your crazy" she said firmly but dismissive with a smile.
I smiled and simply said "ok."
Her period was 2 weeks away.
For 2 weeks I told everyone, her family, my family, everyone at the church, they all laughed
at me mockingly when she would announce that I was "crazy" that I didn't know what I was
talking about or reply that I was just teasing, making fun. Each time they all laughed at me in
agreement, I just nodded and smiled and simply said..."ok... you'll see."
2 weeks went by, no period. She kept this from me.
After she was late, she began to worry, in effort to continue her protest she tried to sway
my opinion, and actually did so successfully.
I quit "teasing" that we were to have a baby. I was disappointed, I had been expecting a child. She
knew I was disappointed, though I tried to feign that I wasn't, she knew I really believed what I had
been telling everyone. Life, for everyone resumed to normal...almost.
Still, no period, unbknownst to me. For a week I was silent about the fact that we were going to have
a baby. She was nervous. At the end of the third week from the time God had told me such, she finally
went to the Doctor. She came to me days later with the results, shaking her head and smiling saying
"I don't believe this." She revealed a secret. That she had missed her period and did not wish to tell me
the week prior, she went on to recount the events which followed, Not only was she pregnant,
she was 3 weeks pregnant.
Keep in mind, we were Baptists. My aunt was one of my first Sunday School teachers, was a
Sunday School teacher for 25 years and an active Christian, known broad and far for her overly
zealous personal evangelism.
In our denomination she was considered a little loopy, but no one questioned her service to God,
she made her name synonomous with the Name Jesus by speaking it so frequently. She never
missed an opportunity to witness and If you knew her, you didn't need to be a prophet to know what
the course of conversation would be centered around in her presecne. The first time I ever recount
hearing the name "Jesus" was from her lips.
But still you have to remember..."WE"....were baptists.
People began to look at me a little differently, they began to think me a little more than odd,
but given track record, they paid attention to the things I had to say about future references.
Even after our divorce if I wanted to get a rise outta my ex-wife, all I needed to do was hint that
I thought she might be pregnant.
Some of the things I had to say were not always popular, alot of people once became very upset
with me when I warned the same preacher boy whom I mentioned earlier, that if he went through
with his plans to marry a certain girl, he would never pastor a church, she would force him
to give up his dreams of preaching.
He went through with it, and it happened as I said it would. Today 20 years later, he never
achieved his dream and they are divorced as well. When I told him what I told him, I wasn't
being mean or nasty, I was merely being honest and acting as his friend.
It wasn't recieved as such.
Most of that crowd today avoids me like the plague, I think perhaps
they are afraid of what is going to fall from my lips.
1993
"...Wait a second...did that just say, Jesus... is in Texas!?!"
So it is 1993, Believe it or not, my relationship with God resumed in the same timeframe when
I would be set to corner that market I spoke of earlier. Many times there were conversations of
God and doctrine over a joint as it was passed. Now again, I dont condone such, doing drugs
that is, but God met us where we were. And I was often the go to guy for insight to things bible
related by people who would not darken the door of this worlds churhces, people who today still
don't and for the record even today, as little as I see them they continue to read their bibles,
they tell me of their studies and the things the learn when I see them from time to time and
they still ask questions, they pray, and they likely know more of prophecy, true interptretation
than most laypreachers. By the time 1993 rolled around, our conversations of Bible had
moved beyond sarcasm into legitimate inquiry.
I went to visit my mother one day, when I walked into her kitchen, upon her table was a
newspaper, the article said..."Sinful Messiah" there was a ap release and a
photo of David with a 3/4 left profile.
Now as I said much earlier, it was the timeline of the event of reading the article "the sinfull Messiah"
which, struck me more so than it's content. And more appealing to my focused observation than
the reports inside of a beer drinking, rock and roll preacher, and sensationalized misquoted reports
which I now know angered David Koresh and his group, and were viewed as demonizing propaganda,
and what served to grab my focus more, was his reported knowledge of the scriptures.
It was easy enough for my group of friends and my associates as well to monitor any group who had
fended off an armed attack by the U.S. Government and held them at bay for so long, and for two months
I was grilled constantly about doctrine and prophecy. It didn't matter that we were Baptist and Catholic,
Pagan or Christian, the focal point was scripture, history, popular interpretations and via our discussion private.
At the time I knew enough of the public media to know not to take everything at face value
and what really gained my attention further was an event which happened days after the standoff had begun.
An entertainment style news show interviewed a young girl who
obviously distraught was and ex-member of the church, they asked her
questions in order to confirm allegations of child abuse, as she
answered their questions she remained calm but meek, and in news
fashion style after their agenda had been met, in order to conclude
the interview and show a human element to themselves and their guest
they asked her If she had any concerns for the people inside. Her
demeanor broke, an air of panic came into her voice, with trembled
words she said, " It's happening, JUST LIKE HE SAID IT WOULD" and she
had a look in her eyes, She said "he showed this to us in the Bible, I can show you…" and she
picked up her Bible and they cut her off. I have never seen that
footage since 1993, but I have never forgotten that look in her eyes,
she was haunted. I had been a Baptist preacher, you see a lot of
things in churches, some things you recognize when you see them, some
of them are undeniable, one of those things is another persons truth.
As to chronology, During the final week of the Branch Davidian standoff I told friends that
something was about to happen, this was based on my understanding of prophecy at the
time, the fact that it was around Easter, it was the Passover season and as I recall wasn't
based on any vision outside of the understanding gained from my Bible studies and intuition.
Now if you have read this far, note that it is crucial that you pay attention to all of the details
following and read through to the end before forming any opinions. I have shared my testimony
with Clive Doyle, and in regards to the part in which I am about to share with you, he warned
me to be very carefull, that I could easily lead thousands astray if I wasn't carefull in my presentation
of such. Now that was several years ago, and I refrained on purpose from telling this in writing to
this point because of such, and even refrained telling it verbally on many occaision, but do so
now feeling led of the Spirit to write.
Immediately after the fire in Waco, we were all horrified, we immediately thought of those people
inside, of the children, we were now terrified of our own government, not as drug addicts, not as
weekend warriors, nor some, full time criminals, but as citizens.
I adamantly declared to all of my friends, even to my business associates that "there is something
more to this man, he is either Christ, or the AntiChrist...We will know in Seven years." This was a
spirtial revelation to me at the time based on my then understanding of the scriptures and for
me and my friends to guide us from where we were.
I had no idea what those seven years had in store for me, if I had, I may have very well ended
my own life in that moment. I will tell the rest of story of how we are now at this point, myself
writing letter, you reading it, my introduction to the Branch Davidian church, my instruction in
righteousness, prophecy, and Sabbath at the hand of the Spirit, and what I now consider to
have been the most incredible Journey of my entire life.
For almost two years, the rest of 1993, all of 1994 and the first two months of 1995, I would
find myself having re-examined the idea that the prophecies, at least their intepretations
as I had been taught in the Baptist church were at best off somewhat, in similiar fashion
as the Jews who were so close in thier interpretations of prophecy and signs of the times,
incited Herod to slay children under 2 years old across the entire land, so close and yet off
just far enough to fail to recognize their King as they sent him to the cross.
But it is God who moves the hearts of Kings, and puts into the hearts of men to fulfill his
will and his purpose, so it was as it should have been, still I considered there was more
going on in prophetic fulfillment than that which was taught to me at the hands of man.
Often I pointed to Acts chapter one, I proposed that as the disciples stared into heaven,
they were admonished in chapter 1 verse 10, told that "Christ would come back to the
earth in a similiar fashion, and then I would suggest that perhaps this didn't mean in the
clouds, popularly taught. Even the same passage of scripture used to teach such seemed
to support this truth illuminating that as they were standing there waiting with that
assumption already in thier hearts, but waiting incorrectly, immediately being told."
...what are you looking up there for?" I would suggest that perhaps the passage was literal,
Christ would again come to earth in literally the same manner, through the womb of a
woman, live amongst us as a man, come back in the same fashion.
I would draw the parallells, about 16 or so in those days, I now know of more...
- They both died in the same month...
- They both died around the time of the Passover.
- Both of thier deaths could be typified by an animal slain on the day of atonement,
Christ the Blood Offering, the lamb of God, the first of the animals slain on the day
of Atonement, Koresh the Burnt Offering, the Bullock, the second of the animals
slain on the day of atonement.
- Both of thier followers were reported to have believed them to be the Son of God (reported).
- Both died at the age of 33,
- Both of their followers fought the governments who came to apprehend them,
- Both prophesied their deaths accurately,
- Both prophecied they would return to this earth
- Both were considered "cult" leaders by the religious mainstream of their day
- Both preached in near an area called Palestine
- Both were accused of the most destestable crime of thier day
- Both were placed into the hands of the government who slew them
based upon false accusations
- I used to print tracts with similiar information and pass them out. I incorporated the same tactics of evangelism I had learned in the Baptist Church to the truths which God was revealing to me. Even years later when I first got online, would often enter into "christian" chat rooms and play a guessing game of "Who am I?"
- I rarely got more than one or two out before someone spouted the answer "that's easy...Jesus" at which point I ignored the answer and continued the list, by the time I would get to the end of the list the whole chatroom would be in on it, then I would announce that all the above mentioned facts were true of both Jesus Christ, 2000 years ago, and David Koresh in 1993, and immediately I would shift to Acts chapter 1 verse 10. and cite that "in like fashion" could be interpteted in more than one way, but could actually mean in literally the same way, literally.
1995 "unsealed...'Seven Thunders Uttered thier voices'."
It is 1995, I had been preaching about David Koresh since 1993. I was profoundly impacted
by the events at Waco and outraged.
I had a genuine interest in the well being of others and I have friends who can attest to that.
It was this genuine interest in the well being of others which fueled my actions to preach,
despite a lifestyle filled with drugs and vice.
These are pertinent facts surrounding the events of Janurary 31,1995.
- I had travelled from Houston where I was living back to NC for the Christmas season
to see my daughter, whose Birthday was in the same timeline.
- I was establishing the necessary contacts to roll really large and supply contraband
to four cities. I had already cornered the market of a city whose monthly traffic was
nearly a million dollars a month in Marijuana alone, moving 6 figures on a regular
basis until I lost 10 grand at a very inopportune moment in a drug deal gone bad
after long time associates had made a double cross.
- I had all the pieces in play, to resume my former business and feul my new contacts,
had my bags in my hands and was walking out the door to return to Houston TX, when
an argument broke out between my mother and myself accusing me of being insensitive
to the plight of my daughter. The accusation was true enough, but I didn't know she was
aware of my activities via my Brother who informed of such in an effort to avert attention
away from his long time cocaine addictions. I agreed to stay for two more months,
despite my better judgement.
I won't go into all the details, just trying to illustrate that one of the primary complaints my
mother had, and one of her intial protests and excuses for her actions was the doctrine I was
preaching. She hated David Koresh and she was more than vigilant in her protests of my "doctrine."
I had agreed to stay in NC, but I was not in a position to find residence as my car and belongings
were in Houston, and I agreed to stay only for a couple months on the condition that I be allowed
to stay in the home of my Mother and Step father. It was agreed to. I unpacked my bags, cancelled
my reservation with Greyhound, and began to focus on gaining income to finance my continued stay.
I dealt.
I was about to witness one of the most bizarre spirtial encounters of my life, I was about to
witness Voices being unleashed upon this earth. I was about to be terrified. I was about
to start receiving visions. God help this world.
I had after deciding to stay in NC, sought income. I had bought several hits of LSD in the timeframe.
On January 15, 1995 I took an LSD trip. But what I would experience was more than any usual
lsd trip. The next day A conversation began as what I have described as a week in which God and
the Devil Argued over my soul. Initially I assumed I was still tripping. When it failed to stop,
I knew something else was transpiring. But I had the where-with-all to keep the matter in my heart.
While I am here let me cite that I would learn something of profound signifigance years later in 2000.
I would learn that according to David Thibadeau in his book, "A Place Called Waco" that David Koresh
had stated certain timelines about the Seals, at least one of them being opened in 1995.
And I would like to point out to you while I am here that there are several events which are recorded
to happen on more than one occaision in The Book of Revelations, events which coincide with the
opening of various seals, thunderings, lightnings and another specific event, the event...Voices
being unleashed upon the earth. Read it for yourselves, it is there in more than one place.
One such reference is stated in Rev 8:5 :
Revelations 8:5 And the angel took the censer, and filled it with the fire of the alter, and
cast it into the earth: and there were voices, and thunderings, and lightnings, and an earthquake.
My lsd trip of January 15, and my accounts of the events which transpired following on Janurary 16
and claims of those dated being the timeframe in which "the voices began" are well documented in
medical records as far back as 1995. I was walking home after midnite on the AM of Janurary 16,
when the voices started, I had an argument with entity I could not see, it began thundering and
lightning and suddenly the bottom dropped out. I arrived at my mothers home in Grays Creek NC,
soaked from the sudden Downpour from a passing stormfront. This event, this storm will be on
record somewhere in the meterological community, or the Fayetteville City Records.
As I stood in my mothers yard, I argued with this voice which had threatened to destroy my mothers
home with a whirlwind. I prayed, and defiantly I challenged this entity. As suddenly as the downburst
came, it left. I continued to pray, went inside and went to bed. I awoke the next the morning, feeling
that the effects of the LSD were gone. Recounted the night prior and told myself, "wow, that was a heavy trip."
Soon another event would begin, Everything was normal again, except for one detail, one I intially
dismissed, but one which was not going away. The voices were still there. I told no one. For the first
week, I was nervous as I was witness to a heavenly conversation, but silent about the encounter and to
everyone else normal. That was going to change quickly, and notable after Janurary 31.
On January 16, 2005 shortly after 12 AM it began.
Voices, thunderings, lightnings...
and an Earthquake.
January 16, 1995
Earthquakes with the most casualties in 1995. January 16, Kobe, Japan, M6.9 **
Deadliest Earthquake in 1995. Five thousand five hundred two people confirmed ...
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Now I have talked to God since I was a child, and he has talked to me. I don't know why,
but let me say that as unatural as people seem to make that seem when I say it, it seems
unnatural to me that they don't. Perhaps it has to do with pity and my extremely traumatic
childhood. Don't get me wrong, In my twenties, I went through the whole "people can't blame
their problems on thier childhood, they have to be responsible and be accountable for their
own actions" phase, and I still believe such. In the course that campaign however there was
a point where I had told myself, you know alot of people had bad childhoods you are not unique.
In my 30's I reexamined this, considered that yes people do have to take responsibility for thier
lives, and yes many people have had bad childhods, but no, I had been wrong in my prior
assumption as again yes also I was unique. My parents share 16, (that's sixteen, lest you
think it is a typo) marriages between them. It really doesn't matter, I just know that God is
my friend and we have talked to one another since I was a child. Although in my youth, I did
more of the talking, and as I matured he did more.
I had no problem believing God when he told me who my wife would be, nor any problem
telling others. I had no problem telling them all of the arrival of our child. But the voice was always
singular, Oh I dealt with the tempter, but even then there was only one voice at a time. But what took
place in 95 was different than anything I had ever known.
A week passed in which I witnessed the bizarre event in silence, then another week passed,
I began refusing drugs and vice having overheard a terror to be unleashed upon this world. In the
second week following January 16, I began having visions.
For an entire week I heard God and the Devil arguing over my soul. I kept the matter from my
family, though I did eventually tell my friends, but as I recall not in the timeframe I had better
sense than to confess what I was experiencing. I simply remained silent in observation. For two
weeks I had kept hearing voices. But I had mostly kept my composure.
However an event happened which unnerved me and I began preaching strongly my belief in
David Koresh. I began having visions, I was being told to prophesy, I did, and things were
happening, they were coming true. The doctrine I had often passively presented for over a year
and a half, I began to actively and openly preach. I was openly preaching David Koresh, I began
warning that the seals had been opened, that we had failed to understand the prophecies and
that armageddon was coming. Now mind you, I spake, in the Spirit, not having been exposed to
any Branch Davidian Doctrine.
This disturbed my family, who were already trying to undermine my efforts to establish my
ambitions of a life as a drug dealer.
Two weeks had passed since January 16, an entire week I had prophecied. Then on
January 31st, about 2 or 3 days after I openly began preaching Koresh, everywhere, to
everyone, I was intitutionalized. At about 8:15 AM there is a knock at the door, I said calmly
to my step father..."it's the police." He assured me that I was wrong. I had been prophesying
for a week, he had witnessed the fulfillment of some of those events, I told him, "It's no use
lying to me, 'they' told me nearly two hours ago,..." as my mother approached the door,
I raised my voice and said "...let them in."
Two cops enter the house with an order to take me into custody.
I was in a battle, I was hearing multiple voices, caught in a war between opposing sides one
side was trying to destroy me, the other side trying to help me, both sides were arguing with
the other, both sides manifested themselves in this realm in a tangible nature. It was no longer
just God and the Devil, there was a war in heaven, and I was caught up in the middle.
I had known the police were coming since about 6 AM. I had been told so by one of these voices,
warned that they were coming for me at 8AM, it's a 15 minute ride from the Police Station to my
Mothers home. The argument was ongoing. As soon as the first entity warned me of the coming
event, I recognized a second immediately following demanding that I struggle with them when they
came. That I fight, that I cause them to end my life. I argued briefly, only to be brow beat into
submission, a submission fueled by panic and fear, another voice reassured me, and I prayed.
I pulled the blanket tighter and I waited.
I would witness this battle for five years all in all before finding peace, and recieving my commission.
It still continues, but I was granted peace in 2000, when finally after years of hearing his voice, I saw
David Koresh in a vision, he smiled at me, it was very comforting, then he gave me a personal message,
and he told me I would not see him again on this earth. I had witnessed something, Saw Davids face
and heard behold, I give you a new name...Benjamin.
There is a mystery there.
Back to Jan 31, 1995--
But that day, I was scared. I was scared to death. In the Human realm, great lengths had been taken
to insure that I was not aware of the coming events. I have to wonder, if after the things I had already
prophecied which they had witnessed come to pass in the prior week, if after that, the lack of surprise
in my face, coupled with the fact that I announced upon hearing the knock..."it's the police." Only to be
told I was wrong, and then for me to announce I had known for nearly two hours, and stated..." let them in."
I have to wonder if that lack of surprise only added to the fright of my Mother and Step father.
In all these years, all the earthquakes, plane crashes, hurricanes, floods, fires, this event or that along the
way in which I have warned, nothing has disturbed so many, so much as my doctrine. I have accurately
warned of flooding by region and timeline so many times in the region of Texas in which my father lives
that the last time after I had begun warning of such, he actually called me to tell me he had bought flood insurance.
As much as my doctrine disturbs people closest to me, as much as I have been ostracized for the same,
these days if they have any clue that I have been told a thing about them, or have had a vision concerning
them, I will receive no peace until I reveal the matter. It is a bitter pill that most of those who are closest to
me, are furthest from accepting this message.
The door opened, and the police stood before me, as much I wasn't surprised, somewhere, some part of
me was absolutely amazed. This still happens today, It happened when I married my wife, it happened
when she announced her pregnancy. I may not be surprised at the fulfillment of such things,
but I never cease to be amazed.
"Mr Crider, we'd like you to come with us."
I demanded to know what the charges were. There were no charges. It was a peace warrant, it was
an order of committment. I knew that I had done or said nothing to justify such and I demanded to
know what the allegation was, which was used to show cause for such. My inquiry was refused and
I was told that they were "simply doing there job."
I was reluctant, but cooperative.
The entire day of Jan 31, I was shifted from one hospital to another, ultimately ending up in Raliegh
at the State Mental Hospital. That evening as I was brought into the intake Physicans office for
examination, the Dr. introduced another "this is "so and so" he is our chaplain, Do you mind if he
sits in?" Finally, I had some clue as to the nature of the lie which had brought me there, it was
oriented towards my religious beliefs. For two years I had proposed that Koresh may have been more
than meets the eye, pointed to several parallels between himself and Christ, they both died at 33, they
both died around passover, etc. etc. I had a list of about 14 or 15 in those days, it has grown since. At any
rate, I relaxed, I figured I had been battle tested in enough religious conversations prior, and had presented
my take on Waco enough times to hold my own with any theologian. I had no idea what was about to hit me.
I consented, started formulating my arguments in my mind, and for the first time the entire day
cooperated and began to talk. I sat in my chair and prepared for debate.
"Mr. Crider Do you know why your here?'
" I have a good Idea?"
"Why do you think you're here?"
" I was sent here against my will..."
"Why do you think that happened?"
" I have been under a lot of stress since my divorce..."
I wasn't about to tell him that I had been involved in criminal activities, and that
My mother was making a power play to intervene, although little did I know, I was
just moments away from for lack of a better expression, breaking down like a bitch
and telling him everything... He waited for me to tell him more...
"Look, why don't you tell me why I am here,..I haven't done anything to prove myself a danger
to myself or others, I told those cops that this morning, so why don't you tell me why I am here...
I mean if your asking me, I'd have to say it likely has to do with my religous beliefs..."
"Why don't you tell me about your religious beliefs Mr Crider..."
I was a little agitated by the pretense of it all, I mean I surmised that it was 'obvious' to me they
knew my history, they had some kind of version, diluted or otherwise, of what I was preaching, or
at least I thought they likely did, and here this Psychologist, or Psychiatrist has called in the
calvary, to deal with me...
Yes, his question lacked a genuine interest beyond its loaded nature, I was agitated...and I wasn't
nearly as prepared to discuss... actually I was prepared to discuss my beliefs, I just wasn't prepared
to defend my beliefs, I thought his intial introduction to the chaplain was an indicator that we were
actually going to have a discussion, and then when I perceived the pretense behind the meeting
with his first questions reverting back across the threshhold I thought we had crossed after I
had remained defiantly silent most of the day, being shuffled one place to another as I waited for
the truth to reveal itself.
The threshhold which I now knew better had still not been crossed, I then knew this was about
to be a one sided conversation and as such I became defensive...after all it had only been two
years, less, since Waco, and I was well aware of the public attitudes at the time, and I was about
to have to lay claim, to affiliate myself, to choose a side, an unpopular side. To stand for my beliefs.
Would you have been defensive? agitated?
Looking between both men, making eye contact back and forth I began,"Look, I have some religious
beliefs which you would likely consider to be radical, I have some beliefs about... Waco,I have been
preaching some things about David Koresh, that you might find strange, but this is America ( I could
hear the star spangled banner playing, I don't know why they couldn't---thats a JOKE! Ha...Ha...)
This country was founded on the Freedom of religion and I am entitle..."
The physician cut me off, I guess he could hear the star spangled banner after all, and he wasn't
having any of my patriotic rhetoric, He spoke above me, cutting me off and said...
"MR. CRIDER, IT SAYS HERE, That you..threatened your daughter..."
My chin dropped, I was speechless for moment, lost my composure and then proclaimed,
"WHAT! THATS BULLSHIT!"
"...MR. CRIDER, IT SAYS THAT, AND I QUOTE
" HE SAID HE WOULD CUT OFF HER HEAD AND EAT OF HER FLESH"
My outrage was only exceeded, and my demeanor overwhelmed by my shock.
My chin literally dropped, my heart sank... my shoulders certainly must have shrunk...
I could not believe what I was hearing... I could not believe this, my mothers need to
assert her dominance, to impose her will, had been taken to those levels, to that extreme...
I had to compose myself...I tried to calm myself...with trembled lips I pleaded..."that's a lie,
I never said such a thing...you have to believe me...that's a lie, I would never hurt my child..."
I broke down, I told him everything, at least every pertinent detail in relation to why I could possibly
have found myself in his presence, awaiting his judgement. Oh I didn't give anybody up, but I gave
him enough to put me in prison for a lo--o-ong time.
I was terrified, I didn't know why I was there, and aside from the obivious terror, I was in awe of the
spiritial realm being made manifest to an extent I had never encountered, not even by the second
hand accounts of others. I believed I was there for several reasons, the primary issue my mothers
protest at my lifestyle, but it seemed in the moment her chosen front, was religious
matters so I met him there first...
They saw my response. I am sure there was some predjudice in the air remaining from the words,
Branch Davidian, David Koresh and Waco being spoken, with the event and the media spin doctored
predominate attitudes of the timeframe still fresh on the American conscious. The Chaplain,
remained silent, but firm in his deameanor, the Doctor tried to compose me with a now calmer
deameanor. He assured me that he had no choice but to hold me for observation, seeking my
agreement to understanding his plight in the matter, he assured me that if I was not the threat
that was portrayed on paper, I could be out of there in 72 hours. I cooperated.
He began to make more inquiries, I was shaken...my responses reflected such, my composure was gone.
I had just openly stated on record in 1995, before professionals in both the psychiatric and theological
communities, less than two years after the tradgedy at Waco, went on record and cited that I sided
with the Branch Davidians, only to immediately find myself, falsely accused, portrayed as some sort
of Satanic lunatic. Tow days later, the lie which was used to get me in that place would be documented
as such, but it would be more than a decade before I would find out such information.
I have been sober now in 2007, drug free, no dealing or using for over 6 years.
I had smoked more than my share of crack, 3 packs of cigarrettes and a
quarter ounce to a half an ounce of weed on a daily basis for years, and I mean years. As well I stopped
treatment with psychiatrist and their medications over 6 years ago as well, resolved to trust God to guide
me with this thing, believing that the issues were born of Spirit and not insanity. The result, my life is more
fruitful and productive now than it ever was. I am set to graduate in May with honors ranked in the top 1% of
the nations College students. I have clarity of mind. God has led me in documenting these visions.
The years between 1995 and 2000 found me in a great struggle.
After being released from Dorothy Dix, I was forced into the public mental heath care system under threat
of being re-institutionalized if I failed to co-operate. Subsequently I would placed on a cocktail of drugs which
would drain the life out of me.
I recount very vividly the events and the timeframe in which I met my first caseworker and therapist.
When the therapist asked me what was going on, I told him " It has begun..."
the therapist asked me for more details,"What's begun?"
I told him as I looked out the window in despair...
"Armageddon, Revelations has begun, and they don't even know it."
"Why do you say that?" he asked.
"You wouldn't believe me if I told you, but it's coming."
I eventually told him, he didn't believe me, I told many of them, they didn't believe me.
1997-2000 "stir...crazy"
The visions persisted. They came in many forms, gut instincts, audible messages, I had even
seen TV broadcasts, 3 in fact of events, news coverage from a future point in time, Then 1995 of
events which would transpire later including the Outcome of the OJ Simpson trial, months before
it happened, and I believe prior to the jury being selected, though I may be wrong about that, I know
I had the vision in March of 1995. There was another of a Flood in California, one which just weeks
later when seeing a storm front moving into the region from the Pacific in the early morning hours on a
News broadcast, I would immediately tell many that this was the event I had witnessed in my vision.
This vision I saw at the same time as the OJ vision. At any rate, 24 hours later, the region I had warned
of was indeed flooded, and much damage was reported to wintercrop harvests. As I said the visions
persisted, Many of them came true, many didn't, at least they didn't come true in the context in
which I percieved them to have been given-another lesson I would learn. Perhaps they did. Now at this
time, I assume they did, having witnessed so much, But at the time, with the understanding I had then,
or the lack of it, I often suffered from anxiety as The events continued to transpire.
Between 1995 and 1997, I would sleep 19-22 hours a day, and in the 5 or 6 waking hours I would smoke
an entire pack of cigarettes, regret the position I found myself in, and get high to drown out the memories
of the events I had witnessed. But they were very unnerving, and not easily dismissed.
Consequently, I would often reject anything of a biblical nature. Seeking to escape these "visions",
I would attempt to take refuge in carnality. As more and more of them came true, and I continued to tell
others of them, moreso due to relieving the stress associated than promoting them, people slowly started
paying more and more attention. Some tried to suggest that I was a psychic, others that my psychadelic
drug usage had opened some portion of brain activity that most never used, and I cannot tell you the
times I have been asked for the winning Lotto numbers.
All along, when tried to hide from these things prior to 2000/2001 and after embracing my ministry since
I have often compared the events of 1995 to a puzzle. One in which I had been shown the front of the
box, and then it was taken from me. Ever so often, I would fit another piece into place and briefly
remember that which I had seen and I would excitedly try to tell people what I saw, but all they could see
was missing peices. However as more time passed, and more pieces fell into place, they
began to see, the started to watch.
Between 1995 and 2001, with exception to the very start of the period the first couple months of 1995,
there wasn't alot of predictions, it was more about doctrine forming and be learned. Now there were some,
but I never spoke them, they spoken to and witnessed by me. At some point I would reject David Koresh
after having been told, and after contiually making one prediction, one which I did not understand when
I spoke it, one which my adversary sought to destroy me with, one which was fulfilled at Mt. Carmel on April 19,2006.
Now this is the part I emphasize you must consider carefully, and the part Clive, at least
the spirit upon him warned
me to be carefull in presenting...and I have waited several years to do so, I admonish
you now, If you are not going to read this in it's entirety, then stop now.
For your own good. For mine.
Between 1995 and 2000 I prophecied that a false prophet would rise, go to
Waco and call down fire from heaven, that David Koresh would rise from the ashes
to be the anti-christ. Not understanding the truth of what I had been told in it's correct
perception I would seek to persecute David Koresh for five years, but at the same time,
I remained open though skeptically to the events of 1993, and the doctrine I preached for
nearly 2 years following. It should noted that they drugged my with cocktail of drugs which made
me sleep 19 to 22 hours a day, every day, for 2 years straight. I finally had to take a "vacation" in
1997 to get my mind back. I called my dad in TX, I told him what they were doing to me, that they
only way I would be able to get off of those pills, is if I got away, I told him I wanted to come visit,
but I told him my purpose up front. I had gained a hundred or more pounds in those two years, I
was lethargic, and I was dying, they, were killing me. I went to TX. I got off the meds. I would be
fine for 6 months. Although I would find myself homeless in protest to my getting off the meds
when I returned to NC. I had to take care of myself, I had to sell drugs.
1999-2001 "Finding Waco"
In 1999, I would meet Edna Doyle and Amo Roden for the first time.
This was in October, I met them more or less as a "tourist" to the Mt. Carmel site.
I would return later that week and meet the man who would be Known as "Andrew X-99".
We had a brief conversation, I have often wondered, X, the roman numeral for 10, I have wondered
if based upon that conversation if X-99 may have meant 10-99, October 99. No matter, he has
passed away and is not here to verify one way or the other. I am aware that he left Mt. Carmel,
denouncing Clive and the Surviving Branch Davidians.
Between 1995 and 2000 I not only struggled with the medications I had been on and off of, but
with doctrine. I recognized the truth to the things I would be shown about doctrine during those
times in which I had gotten away from the drugs that they sought to medicate me with. There
were numerous events in those timeframes which I had been told would take place and witnessed
doing so. These events and made it uneasy to just dismiss the doctrine I was being taught.
Uneasy because I had witnessed tangible events in this world, outside of my mind, in real life,
which offered proof that the voices were not the fabrications of paranoid fantasies.
Still during the times when I was medicine compliant. I sought to be accepted socially. This bled
through to my religious beliefs. I would continually try to embrace the former doctrine
I had been taught since a child.
This struggle caused me to search the scriptures, to pray for answers to re-examine my former
beliefs to find the truth of the matter. At some point I chose to believe what I knew to be real.
Not the accounts of tradition, but what I had actually witnessed firsthand. I still struggle
occaisonally with former doctrine. I was slowly coming to a conclusion.
In the beginning of 2000, I would have a conversation with David Thibodeua on the phone.
For the most part, Clive Doyle has been my primary contact with the
surviving Branch Davidians, while he is open to listen, he doesn't
seem to embrace my beliefs, he just doesn't deny them, at least not
outright. I would not meet Clive until 2001, and I have never spoken to David Thibodeau
since the phone conversation mentioned above.
Clive seems to hold the same kind of Watch and Pray attitude about
things as I do, taking things in, praying about them, digesting what
seem applicable in the moment, dismissing what doesn't. He doesn't seem quick
to form judgements, and in my experience is slow to express opinions. What he usually
has to say is presented with enough factual evidence to allow you to draw a conclusion yourself.
Personally, the conclusion that I was coming to is that and
I have maintained for years that I did not believe that the Branch Davidian
view(s) of Prophetic interpretation was unfolding, nor the
ecclesiastical view, but rather a blend of many prophetic
interpretations, now including religious and pagan.
More than affiliating my self with any denomination, this one or that, I mostly
consider myself a student of prophecy. I have been exposed to many, Christian, Pagan,
American Indian, Celtic and I can tell many if not most place signifigance around
the timeline in which we now live.
June 2000 "...no more religion"
In June of 2000, on Pentecost, I traveled agian to Waco, listening to voices which
told me that I would destroy the world and that in order to spare my loved ones and
this world I had to die. I went to Waco to put an end to my bizarre struggle once and for
all. I told two friends that I had to go, Told them what I might do, told them I had to face
this to get past it.
On Pentecost, June 19, 2000, I stepped out of my vehicle onto Mt. Carmel.
I stood in front of David Koreshs' old Motorcycle, with 12 gallons of Gas in the back
of my truck, and ready to commit the deed, heard a voice, (not voices) tell me
"No" "This is not the way".
You have to understand that earlier that year, in March I tried suicide 7 times in
one week under the same logic. I shot clorox into my left arm, and when it didn't kill me,
though my arm was on fire, I pleaded for mercy that if I wasn't going to die to end the pain.
Each time I could recognize that there were two opposing forces at work in these "voices".
This was not new, I had recognized this since the beginning in 1995, often telling people
that for an entire week before any of these "voices" spoke to me, that I heard God and the
Devil arguing, arguing over my soul.
After 5 failed attempts. I prayed for two days for access to cyanide. At the end of two days,
a total stranger offered and gave me a can of Sodium Cyanide. Twice I ingested it over the
next two days, each time believing that my act was one of sacrafice for the greater good, and
not depression, or cowardice. Believing that if I did not end my life, all whom I loved would suffer
as one set of these voices preached to me constantly. Though I greatly feared being the cause
of great and terrible events, and consequently suffering of those whom I loved.
Often I would be told to do things I knew were outlandish, things which I knew would raise the
hairs on peoples backs, yet I would be told things, given events which would transpire as affirmations,
as a result I was in great confusion, and simply tried to do as I believed was right to do. And that God
knew my heart, knew my struggle and confusion and would shelter me so long as I strove to do what
I knew was right. Hence I shot clorox up my left vein, and ingested cyanide on two occasions and yet here I am.
I knew that opposing spiritial forces were at work, and knew that the Devil could appear as an
Angel of light. I knew this was the source of my struggle and confusion.
So there I was, having tried many times to perform this act at the command of voices which
tormented me by thoughts of my loved ones suffering. This world suffering. Telling me for five
years or six since 1995, since that arguement I overheard, that If I did not kill myself, all whom
I loved would suffer greatly, that I would be the cause of Armageddon. And now, in Waco on
Pentecost of 2000, as I stood before that bike, when at the moment, having gone through great
lengths, driven 1600 miles, planned for two months after the 7 suicide attempts in March to
perform the act on Pentecost, hoping that at last after those years, those visions, those torments
that I would finally succeed, and then standing there, to be told "no" well, I hesitated, I considered
the fate of the world, I worried about Armageddon, but I trusted, all in the space of a moment.
Needless to say within 14 hours of the pentecost event of 2000 I was hospitalized, not in an institution,
but for swallowing many pills and having my stomach pumped. I was under a tremendous spiritial attack,
I knew there were opposing forces at work, but I just lacked the strength to do anything about it.
I was used to going to outlandish extremes at the commands of voices which were intangible to others,
and while I knew thier were opposing forces at work, I knew the stakes were high and when I felt that I
was being dealt with by God acted accordingly. But after that event, I determined to shun all things religious.
And for a couple months I did, telling myself that "these Voices had lied to me on occaisions, I told God that
while I recognized opposing sides at work, and that I wanted to serve him, that I could not distinguish them
accurately and as such, if they could lie to me, I was not bound to heed them." I have a great love for truth
and value it, often telling others that a person cannot make intelligent decisions without the truth.
Little did I know then the events which would follow. I was set in my mind to stay my chosen course to avoid
religion altogether and all things spirtial. But in the following months and years I would witness a
miracle, the event...my life.
September 2000 "...old habits die hard"
In September, I had been trying very hard not to have anything to do with religion. In the latter part of
August an into September a nagging sensation kept driving me, telling me, I could not condemn a
group of people not knowing thier beliefs. I had a vision on night in which I Saw David Koresh
and was given the name Benjamin.
I recounted the sign at Mt. Carmel in front of the foundation of the new chapel, "phoenix project"
and I sought information on the internet. I was shocked to find that much of what I was reading,
I already knew, it had been taught to me from a Spirital entity. The language was different,
but the message was the same. Wait a second, "condemn a group of people..." I guess I
need to back track a little. Between 1995 and 2000 I had persecuted the Branch Davidians.
So how could I on hand openly embrace David Koresh, and then turn around to persecute him?
1997 "flashback"
As I said earlier I had went to Texas to get off the medications which they were using to
cause me to sleep my life away. 6 months passed, the visions returned, my preaching
resumed, I would be hospitalized again and placed on medications. This time in Austin
State Hospital, this time a vountary committment in order to quell my families concerns,
which arose from my preaching and my visions. After being inside for two weeks, I would
demand to my state appointed lawyer that I be allowed to sign myself out. I was being
forced back onto medications, I didn't need them, I had signed myself in so that I could
prove after observation that I was not dangerous. I had signed myself in, I had been there
more than enough time to prove that I was not a danger to myself or to others, I was there
on a voluntary committment,legally they could not hold me, legally I should have been able
to sign myself out...My court appointed lawyer Mr. Kerr told me in response, "Mr. Crider,
your beliefs are a threat to society." He finished his argument walking away telling me
"No man knows the hour nor the day."
You see I was preaching that the judgement of God had begun, that the seals had been being
opened since 1995. It wasn't well recieved. I was preaching Koresh. I now have new light, which
explains the mystery of that timeframe, settles the questions of holes in anticipated events
which failed to come to fruition during those timelines. You see, David sealed that up, which
he had loosed...you children of light, search the word, look for the little book and it's messenger, hear the bird.
The only time in those five years in which I did not persecute David, the only time in which
I preached the truth, was during stages in which I had found the opportunity to get away from
the meds they were trying to kill my spririt with. The meds which were slowly draining the life
out of me. And each timeframe in which I was not on their drugs, I maintained adamantly that
I was not mentally ill, that the origin of this thing was spritial in nature.
In 2000, 2001 about Christmas season, I determined I would get off of the meds and never return.
I would trust God. Today I have been free of medicines and psychiatric supervision for nearly 7 years.
I have been sober and clean for over 6 years. God delivered me from my lifestyle of dealing in such a
fashion as I could have never conceived myself. I have been given victory over diabetes, sleep apnea,
morbid obesity losing over 250 pounds, I am ranked in the top 1% of the nations college students.
My visions, predictions made from the same and their fullfillments have been documented with
government agencies actively in the last two years, with a couple reaching back as far as 2002.
This season alone I have accurately forecast many events to the meterological community citing
that a category 5 hurricane would enter the gulf of Mexico vebally since June, and in wrtiting on
August 5, nearly two weeks before Dean, the first storm of that magnitude to enter the Gulf of
Mexico since...1993, (a number which has come up repeatedly this year in these visions) ever
existed. I have been warning about a famine coming to this land for over five years, told Ron Goins
as much in 2002 outside of the steps of Clive Doyles home, citing that it would be unusual in that
the issue would not be availability of food, but affordability. Here we are.
God has been preparing me one step at a time, ordering my steps, making way my path.
Today in 2008, the predictions fulfilled and documented with Government agencies show the
tangible nature of this thing proving my argument that it is spirtial in nature and not born of insanity,
has merit. But there was an entire decade or more in which I had no proof, nothing but my faith.
I went to my mailbox about seven months ago and to my surprise, the intake/dishcarge papers from
my initial committment in 1995, the only committment which was involuntary, and papers which
inadverdantly record that a lie was used against me, a lie without which I would not even have been in
the presence of that Doctor to make an opinon of me one way or the other. The proof needed to vidicate
my name, to show that a lie was used to have me served with committment papers, the same lie which
had so much weight in my diagnosis, is confessed to and recorded in that very paperwork.
Something else happened while I was in there in 1995 A spirtial attack, one which scared the hell out
of me, one which would be followed for the next five years by many more, bringing bouts of
confusion, but little did my adversary know...they were working to thier own detriment. I didn't
know it, my advesary evidently didn't, But God did. I was shown many dark things. There was
great struggle as on the one hand I believed David was servant of God, and yet I had been told
that a false prophet would go to Waco...etc. etc. and the two events seemed to contradict one
another. I was witnessing the tangible manifestations of a battle between two opposing sides in
the spiritial realm, and I was trying to find understanding in the wake of a quarter century of
being exposed to one set doctrines, and trying to deal with the undeniable nature of the
spirtial source of new doctrine.
I often turned to God. When I say God, I don't mean Christ, I don't mean Messiah,
I don't mean David, I mean went straight to the top. I knew he was well aware of my struggle,
that he knew the intent and motives of my heart, and I did the best I could, and I trusted in Jah'.
There were moments when I would do a thing, knowing I might be being decieved, but I prayed
fervently, and I trusted that if I strove to do what I knew was right then I could trust that
"all things work together for Good..." and I acted, but I did so in faith, right or wrong.
I ultimately reasoned that the David Koresh which would rise from those ashes would not be
the actual person who had walked this world but would be an attack on the true person of
David Koresh, and that whatever would rise from those ashes would be an imposter.
This belief would be reinforced after having a conversation with Edna Doyle, in which
she told me that David had told them, when he came back, he would not look the same,
he would not have the same name, but they would know him by his spirit.
An imposter with the same image rising from the ashes of a fire spawned by a false prophet.
Hmmm, Listening to Charlies doctrine at least as far as it has been reported in the Waco
Newspaper, if that was an accurate account, I would say such has happened. The True
David Koresh in Heaven must be outraged at the False David Koresh of Mr. Pace's doctrine.
I have yet to check out the dates, but I would almost wager that date on my paperwork from
my intial committment will predate Mr. Pace's arrival on the property at Mt. Carmel in 1995,
hence "WILL GO TO WACO AND CALL DOWN," I have yet to check it out, but I will do so
with Clive Doyle before the days end, and likely before this letter is in it's final edit. I type to
you now with confidence, that God saw to that detail all that time ago. There was a distinct
event in the same timeframe in which I visited a charasmatic church during their off hours,
urgently requesting that I baptized in Jesus name, not in titles, but the actual name. I told that
pastor as well that the seals of revelations had been opened, that "a false prophet would goto
Waco, call down fire from heaven, and David Koresh would rise from the ashes to be the
antiChrist." My step father was with me, there was a teen group having choir practice which they
stopped to witness the baptism, as the preacher placed me under the water, one spoke in toungues,
as I came up another cited "he's the one." My step father recounts the event even though he thinks
I am nuts. But at the same time I tell him with accuracy what the weather will do, telling him that
the Missippii river was about to flood badly, 2 weeks before Katrina struck New Orleans
on the mouth of the same river.
Now when I stated this prophecy, that a false prophet would goto Waco, call down fire from
Heaven, etc to Clive years ago in 2002, I told him that just Jesus is merely a name to most,
that the name is elevated to the level of being an Idol, and that most have absolutely no
idea as to the real nature and character of the Person of Christ, that the world would do
with David's name as they did with Christ. The Christ most of this world looks to is not the
true person of Christ but one that is intangible, lost in time, out of reach on any real level
of communication. They worshp Christ as God, when he himself is recorded in scripture
as pointing us to the father, and that by him all may goto the father, but not at any time
elevating himself above the father. Their God is an Idol, they worship the creature more
than the creator, as much as Christ was the Son of God, he was a man,
and in that aspect he was a creature.
We were warned of a time when there would be many false Christs. We have a baptist Jesus,
A Catholic Jesus, A methodist Jesus, a Pentacostal Jesus, now we even have different
versions of Adventist's Jesus. Oh they all have the same name, and for $10.95 each
member of those congreagatons can go to Walmart and purchase a picture of thier God,
and take it home and hang it up in a central location to show off thier spiritiality, and they
will all look the same, but upon closer examination, each Jesus is different, one
contradicting another, each one having different characteristics and abilities, ministries
and limitations. To most of the world, Christ is nothing more than a name, a name to be
invoked to offer them a false sense of spritiality. He is not a real person, a tangible entity
in this present realm.
I told Clive that this would happen with David as well. When I referenced the
aforementioned prophecy. This was about 2002.
You see I serve a real God, a living God, a God who speaks to me, A God whose
presence has tangible measure. Most professed Christians talk of God, they Talk
of Christ, but they serve fairy tales, they harbor desires of travelling through time
and living in 2000 AD, to actually walk with Christ, as though he would be "more real",
They don't serve my God. I live in 2008 AD, and I walk with Christ. If you don't Get
that I cant explain it to you. My God teaches me the scriptures, shows me
the prophecies as they were shown to the prophets. When my God tells me
there is going to be an earthquake in this location, a flood in that, they happen.
These things are not beyond him and he is certainly not bound by the expectaitions
and limitations which Human minds would place upon him. He is not exclusive to
one denomination or race. He takes his truth to those who would recieve it, he
judges his own people with more scrutiny than he does the wicked, holding
the bearers of light to a higher standard.
Nearly three years ago, I announced on April 17, 2005 that the new
Pope would be elected on the 19th. He was. That announcement was
intermingeled with concerns of an event to transpire at Waco.
I had warned for over a month that an event of Religious signifigance was going to take
place on April 19th 2005, and that I didn't know what it was, but that I knew Both Waco and Rome
would be involved. I didn't know if the two would be united, but I knew an event of signifigance
would take place on April 19th at both locations.
Soon after the Pope was elected, I sent Clive a letter, making inquiry.
When I inquired of the event, (from Clive Doyle) my concerns were
dismissed. Clive stated that nothing of the ordinary occurred. I still have the letter he sent in reply.
Later however, my concerns would be validated, as a an event would unfold in reports over
several of the Branch Davidian Survivors Newsletter which Clive sent out. Reports of a
Branch Davidian faction who were separate from the Survivors, from a
former church split prior to 1993, seemingly re-united for the first time with the
Survivors of the 1993 tradgedy on April 19, 2005 at the Memorial Service.
Soon the leader of this group would start trying to dominate the services with his own
doctrine, eventually doing so.
Within a year the leader of this other faction succeeded
in taking over the property and evicting the survivors, banning Clive Doyle and his group
from using the chapel, the same chapel which churches and builders from all over the
Waco area came together in 1998, 1999 and both funded and built for
the group as an effort to begin a public healing.
Charles Pace had announced himself as the New Leader of the church, though Clive and
the survivors have publicly denounced him, publicly rejected his doctrine, Charles Has named
his church THE BRANCH THE LORD OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS.
Now maybe Charles is a nice man, well meaning, maybe he's not, I really don't know.
What I do know is I no more serve him nor acknowledge his authority any more than
I do that of the Pope, and he may be a nice man as well.
I do know that on April 19th, 2005, what would be looked at by the world as a new
Leader in both organizations, would both show up on the scene. Benedict in Rome,
Charles at the memorial. Both resulted as what the world would percieve as a
change in heirarchal leadership.
What the world would percieve.
I read the article from the Waco Newspaper from April 20 2006. I know that Mr. Pace declared his act,
as divinely inspired, seeking to Burn the crape mrytle branches from Davids tree upon an alter,settling for burning the roots of the same tree, and preaching
his own doctrine of a David Koresh, a fictitional David Koresh whose only resemblance
to the actual person and ministry of the servant of God who died in Waco in 1993 is in name only.
I read his purpose for such an act. To separate the entities of Vernon Howell from
David Koresh. I got news for you Charlie, they are one in the same. Jacob and Israel
are one in the same, as are Vernon and David, you can no more seaparate
one than you can the other.
A fire as an act of ministry inspired from Heaven? By a self proclaimed prophet
raising A fictitious David Koresh, Antichrist? Ressurecting Vernon Howell in the
next ressurrection, Ol' boy, God saw the intent in your heart in 95. Your feinged
friendships, while your neighbors practiced the peace you preached. I have
spoken to David Thibodeau on the Phone once in the winter of 2000, haven't spoken to
him since, And I warned him "a false prophet will go to Waco, call down fire from heaven,
And David Koresh will Rise from the ashes to be the antichrist." I had no idea what was
transpiring at the time, nor did I grasp the true meaning to those words when I spoke them
I just did as I was led to do. After I recieved report of your treachery to your neighbors, God
told me that he was going to deliver Mt. Carmel into my hands, I told Clive the same, and
told him that it would not be to place them back on the property. That was long before you
pulled your stunt last April. I had no idea how I was to perform that which I had been
commissioned to do, and God told me years ago not to rebuild the Temple. I really never
knew what that meant until recently, until you fulfilled the prophecy I gave David Thibodeau
in 2000, and Clive in 2002...you see, you built it for me.
Dear Mr. Pace,
You see that act you performed, the disharmony you percieved in the church; in the body that
was the actual survivors of the 1993 tradgedy, those who mourned for David;
the blow you sought to deliver to scatter the final remnants of those who actually
sought to understand David, well that act is going to
strengthen thier cause more than you could possibly imagine. It is going to bring unity,
it is going to spark a revival in that which you hailed as demonic, that which you never
understood. Nor sought to, until you found It necessary to promote your own agenda.
I am reminded of that pharisee who was blinded on the Damascus road,
Nicodemus, Oh wait a second, that wasn't Nicodemus, he actually spoke with Christ
in person, seems like he denied him in person as well...sound familiar?
You know everyone wants to be land owner, everyone wants to be in the newspapers,
everyone wants to jump in the pulpit and take something over, preach some message.
Tell me Mr. Pace, how many payments have you made to the US government and the
families of those ATF agents? One, two, any? I am curious send the reciepts, show
me the dates. What about that brief period of time in which you considered the
surviving members as eligible for membership into your church, considered their their
probations, their time to accept your doctrine, were they your flock then? Did you consider
the wieght of thier debts as a liability or an obligation? Did you consider those debts at all?
I know full well that those debts were unjustly placed upon individuals in the Branch Davidian Church.
Unjust or not, they have to be paid, David Commissioned Livingstone Fagan as a missionary,
how can he do his job when feels that he is a slave? And if you now embrace David Koresh as
the author of Divine judgement upon God's Church, and Vernon Howell as the instrument of the
same, if you now endorse him on any level as a servant of God when his status of celebrity,
whether born of infamy or not serves to add mass appeal to your propaganda, If you endorse
his message into your own, why isn't the church under your leadership endorsing his
commision of Mr. Livingstone Fagan's missionary assignment?
;Supporting him as a missionary?
;Supplying him with the financial means to perform his job, including addressing his debts
as ordered by the court whether perceived as just or unjust? sending one whom no one
has disputed as having a grasp on the message which David gave him, to give to others,
arranging speaking engagements for future meetings in branches of the church in
locations in parts of the world where he may serve, to outside interested
organizations to whom he may address?
If your words were recorded accurately in last years article in the Waco Newspaper's
coverage of the events of April 19, then by those same words you recognized David's
authority to bring Judgement on the church, if that authority as presented in the media
as your supposed logic, was divine, by what right do you dismiss Mr. Fagans Commission
by the same leader whose noteriety was enlisted to serve your ends last year? If your words
were not recorded acurately sir, tell me, did you goto to the same extremes to correct the
media in the matter, as you did to attract them to your Gala in the event?
You chose the church of the Newsmedia and the pulpit of propaganda Mr. Pace. This is
my thesis being nailed upon your door.
Tell me Mr. Pace, the answers to my questions? Were the views presented in the
newsmedia last April, an accurate assessment of your doctrine concerning David Koresh?
If so, then I demand answer to my questions. If they are not, then why sir, when a people
having suffered so greatly from media spin, were so upset by the reports, if these reports
were false, why have you not seen to it that a retraction was made? Your answers sir...
If you will. I await them.
I have been given instructions to give you a message sir, I was told to tell you
"I am coming to set my house in order."
The Mississippi Experience 1ST Weekend OF JUNE 2001
Saturday
I had just attended Sabbath School for the first and only time to date with
The Branch Davidian Survivors. I announced that I would like to stay, but was loaded
to go, and considering going back to NC. Shelia Martin announced that
she would be travelling through NC soon. Clive Spoke on Jonah. After the service,
I spoke briefly with Clive. Told him of my visions.
I requested any material He had by David. He went to gather a handfull of cassette
tapes, about 20 or 30 or so, all sermons by David. I had been told to prophesy to the
group and started to, but again became self conscious and little did I know, I would
two days later do just that to Clive on the Phone. I had very little understanding of
prophecy, it's rules, how it works. All I knew is I had been having visions, they were
coming true, I was a little overwhelmed and very frightened. I did as I was told...mostly.
PREPARING TO LEAVE FROM ATTENDING 1ST SABBATH SCHOOL
I sat in my truck outside of the BDSDA new chapel. Prepared to leave and the
following is my recollection of a conversation with Clive that transpired.
Myself : I really appreciate the tapes. This should help with the ministry
(I hand Clive a bill)
About the info on the Web Page (Seven Seals), What do you Think?
Clive: Some of it makes sense, some of it, I don't know about...
Myself: I felt the same way, I believe he has been given part of a
message and has filled in the rest with speculation...I don't know either.
Which one of these tapes should Iisten to 1st?
Clive: They're all good. Start with the first one...
I pick up the stack, and pull out the first tape, it is a sermon titled "The Bird."
Myself: How about that..."The Bird"...I was just sitting here while I
was waiting for you to go get the tapes, and I remembered the first
time I came here, The church was under construction and there
was a sign "Phoenix Project", and my first Tattoo was a Phoenix
(pointing to tattoo) actually it was an eagle, but the ran through
my mind while I was waiting and they are both birds.
Clive: So are you coming back?
Myself: Well, I though about going back to NC, that's why the truck is
packed, but now I believe I'll be coming back to study with you if it's ok.
Now I don't know why I said that, and I did mean it in the moment, and I would certainly
be back, and my studies in the years since would be primarily almost exclusively with
Clive. ( I would leave and start to LaGrange, Only to change directions and head North
out of Texas, a direction I had never taken before, and I would start to NC. and still
end up, well I will let you read it for yourself...)
Clive: We're here every Saturday at 1:00 unless it rains,
then we try to meet at one of the members houses in
town. It just gets too wet out here, your welcome to
come, just call ahead.
I would leave, and wind up heading north to I-20, then East to NC. I would try to
listen to the sermon to no avail, as it was summer, hot, my truck was packed, my
dog in the seat beside me, and boxes covering the speaker on the passenger door,
the only speaker which worked. With the wind, motor, and distractions, I simply
could not hear the content, as there was not enough volume, I tried several times
and it played a while each time.
NEXT MORNING 1ST SUN OF JUNE 2001
I was at a rest area on I-20 east bound, about 100 miles into Mississppi, and
approximately half way point of my intended journey.
I had been trying to listen to sermon tapes along the journey, but as I stated could
not hear them. It was about 5 or 6 am. Just before dawn, chilly I had only slept about
an hour or so at the rest area, and was trying to allow myself time to wake up as I had
been swerving in sleepiness on the Highway.
Still tired after a cat nap, I decided to listen to the first tape I had tried to hear repeatedly
to that point while I was in a location where I could hear. I knew the tape was in the middle
somewhere, and I listened out of curiosity sake rather than expecting to actuall grasp a message,
as I felt I would need to leave soon and did not have time to hear it from the beginning. I pushed
the tape "The Bird" into the player. It started to play for a minute or so, I listened, rather
uninterested, then I cranked the truck and began to leave. As I did so, I considered all the events
with which life had brought me to the moment I was in, I prayed for counsel and I started to back
up the truck then David said something, at that very moment...I was startled.
ME: what did he just say?... no way.
The sermon continues...
DAVID ON TAPE : …..MESSAGE, ...BITTER TO THE BELLY
IS'NT IT STEVE?
ME : WHAT !?!
I perceived that the Spirit of God was falling upon me, I stop, dead still,
half parked, half not, I rewind tape to hear it again...I push play...recalling
everything which had been said in those two minutes prior to my cranking
the truck, still not sure what I had heard...the tape plays...
DAVID : NOW STEVE HAS TO GIVE TO GIVE THEM THE
MESSAGE, AND WHEN HE GIVES THEM THE MESSAGE
GUESS WHAT HAPPENS ...BITTER TO THE BELLY"
ISN'T IT STEVE?
At that point, I had an experience I can only describe as a form of communion.
I knew I was listening to a tape, I knew that It had been recorded years prior, but I also
knew what I had been told in January of 2001 when I was awakened and told that I was
going to finish the work which David Koresh started. I percieved in that moment, that while
there most certainly was and individual named Steve in the Congreagation at the time of
recording, that Spirit of Prophecy at that moment was transcending time, knowing at the
time the tape was being made, that I would be where I was all those years later.
Me: DID HE JUST SAY THE 7TH ANGELS MESSAGE
WAS GIVEN TO STEVE?
In revelations the little book which the 7th angel hands to Daniel, was
sweet as honey in his mouth, but bitter in his belly and I considered all
the events which led up to that point, I considered the implications of
what was being said, I struggled to rewind the tape and find that point
again to hear it once more... I rewind, press play and hear...
DAVID : REMEMBER THAT ANGEL FROM THE EAST,
HE BRING S SOMETHING THEY DIDN'T HAVE…..
I now believe this something is New Light.I was from NC, and I had
told Edna Doyle of my efforts to Contact the SevenSeals site, then
supervised by Renos Avraam, I had told her that I had experienced
doubt and confusion after being shown that I was to finish the work
David Started, and after I showed her a passage in Zecheriah in which
I believed the "Chosen Vessle" was according to that passage,
"the temporary shepard who would go astray, and forsake the flock.
" Mrs. Doyle had told me in the same conversation of actions by
Renos Avraam in that timeframe which I believed fulfilled such, and
I subsequently told her of the passage, and that for two months I had
prophecied that he would forsake the flock and go astray. Today, and
for quite some time now, Renos Avraam has not been associated with
the site. It was taken over and resumed by another, and to one who
doesn't know, who hasn't done any investigation, it would appear by the
syntax used as though the same individual who is "the Chosen Vessel"
mentioned on the site at current has been the same all along, but this is,
as I understand it not the case.
Several years ago, not knowing that Renos was still in prison, but surprised
upon reading a post upon the site which stated that the Chosen Vessel was
living in Georgia (not where Renos was serving time in prison) I sent a letter,
with a request. I addressed the fact that Clive had told me that Renos was
running the site, and I thought the person, the chosen vessel of the day was
indeed Renos. My post was quickly removed from the forum. And when I
checked back some time later, a new rhetoric was inundating the messages,
that the identity of the chosen vessle was not important. It was presented in
such a fashion that one could be led to believe that the information was
important, and I am not saying that it is not, but the original site had projected
timelines which came to pass around the year 2000,2001. Came to pass without event.
Now this new "chosen vessel", who seemed to be riding the energy of the former,
at least so on the surface, presented reasons for concealing thier idientity as a
need for security from the beast who hated them for their message. Yeah, OK,
still my issue was, knowing what I knew, and considering the "confusion"
surrounding the identity, or rather should I state, the identities of the chosen vessel,
the message I got from reading the aforementioned charade was as follows:
"Step away from the CURTAIN: DO NOT TOUCH THE CURTAIN,
It DOES NOT MATTER WHAT IS BEHIND THE CURTAIN,
...WHAT MATTERS... IS THAT
... THE WIZARD HAS SPOKEN!!!"
Now granted the information I recieved about the multiple Identities of the wizard,
was second hand, but I had no reason to doubt it, and if I am wrong the Wizard
should give lessons to David Copperfield on how to be in Prison in one state,
and maintaining residence in another.
If this is true, and I believe it is, Renos indeed would even leave the flock online
as well as those he walked with under David, if this is true, he did as I said he
would, he did do as the Spirit of God revealed to me he would. Pray for him,
but know, he will find his way back to God, I have seen it in scripture in the book of Daniel.
Anyway, sorry for the rant, where was I, Oh yeah, Mississippi...
So there I am, I fumble back and forth, trying to find that place upon the tape,
each time hearing the conversation continue in present communion, each
time I pressed play I was hearing David having spoken nearly a decade pehaps more, earlier,
was describing me, then, real time in that present moment.
Now mind you, I am not saying, "Oh gee, that guy has my name, he is talking
to a guy named Steve" no he was describing my situation right there,
right then at that very moment in time, I was used to dealing with strange,
but I was more than freaked, several times that happend and each time
I failed to find the original reference and finally I reached a point where
I just gave in and let the tape play... It started....
DAVID: ALL OF A SUDDEN SOMEBODY COMES AND
SAYS HEY , CHECK THIS OUT , AND THEY SAY WHAT ???!!
THEY HALT THEY SEE SOMETHIN THEY NEVER SEEN BEFORE***
This had just taken place. I had just began to leave the rest area,
I was praying for direction, when all of the events of the minutes
prior occurred, I had to stop in my tracks, I had been shown something
I had never seen before...
David : THEY SEE SOMETHING THAT TAKES THE
BLINFOLDS OFF THEIR EYES AND REALIZE THEY
WERE WALKING STRAIGHT INTO PERDITION , AND ONCE
THEY HALT ,THE CHURCH SAYS WHAT ARE YOU DOIN'?
DON'T YOU KNOW THIS
SHIP OF ZION IS GOING TO THE END?
AND THEY SAY WAIT A SECOND…I WANNA SEE SOMETHING
1ST, I NEVER SAW THIS ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD BEFORE…
***( HERE I WAS, ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD) I had
been told to prophesy to the Survivors, I was going
the wrong way, running out of self doubt, confusion
and following the leading of my flesh, and my adversary
after having witnessed so much And though I had been
hearing voices for years, often speaking through different
media, people, TV, radio, billboards, the spirit Of God had
never spoken to me in this fashion before.
DAVID: …. THERES A SIGN THAT SAYS DETOUR
…HEAVEN…10 MILES
( I HAD BEEN PRAYING FOR GUIDANCE AS TO
DIRECTION FOR TRAVEL JUST PRIOR and later
when I got through listening to the tape I would
start back for Texas, then Turn around to go
back to N.C. and finally after driving in circles
find myself yielding to the spirit of God and journeying
back to Texas, I looked at the odometer, since I had
left the rest area I had travelled right at... 10 miles.
- Yeah, you're not telling me anything, I was there.)
DAVID: …AND ONCE THEY HALT WHAT HAPPENS
….WHATS THE NEXT VERSE??
STEVE(SCHNIEDER???) READS ALOUD: I WILL GATHER
TOGETHER HER THAT IS DRIVEN OUT
The surviving Branch Davidians were finally driven out
of Mount Carmel in last two years or so, as after Clive Doyle
would be driven off the property. I told Clive that God
had revealed to me that he was going to deliver Mt. Carmel
into my hands, but that it would not be for the purpose of
placing them back on the property. This was well before
the actions of Charles Pace last April 19, 2006. I had announced
to Clive even prior in letters and essays that it had revealed to
me that I would perform the act mentioned above. That God
would perform the act through me. But in that timeframe, in
that moment, 2001, that had less meaning for me than did
what was about to be spoken...
DAVID : WHY DID THEY GET DRIVEN OUT FOR ONCE THEY HALT??
Steve (Schnieder?) : THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED TO ME..
DAVID : STEVE'S ON HIS WAY TO HELL..HE'S JUST LIKE
EVERY OTHER SINNER IN THE WORLD…PLAYIN RELIGION
…SPENDIN BIG BUCKS ON THE GAMBIT OF SEMINARY
( AT THE TIME I WAS STILL SUFFERING FROM ADDICTIONS-
NOW 5-6 years plus, Drug FREE - "JUST LIKE EVERY
…I HAD PLAYED RELIGION"
-AS I WAS TOLD TO STAND AND PROPHESY A DAY
EARLIER IN SERVICE AT WACO BUT DID NOT-
-- AND (I Had been a baptist preacher,had been to Bible
College, so I tried to show my biblical prowess instead ….)
DAVID : AND GOD SAYS WHY DON'T YOU STOP
AND COME REST AWHILE…
( I WAS AT REST AREA AND WAS STARTING
TO LEAVE THEN DRAWN BACK, and now today
the surviving Branch Davidians have quit fighting
over the land, and it has freed them to focus on the message...)
DAVID : AND LET ME SHOW YOU THE TRUTH AS
IT IS WRITTEN IN THE BIBLE …..
*** ( I WAS GOING THROUGH ALL OF THE THINGS
MENTIONED BECAUSE I BELIEVED I HAD JUST
BEEN GIVEN THE SEVENTH ANGELS MESSAGE)
DAVID : …..SO STEVE SPENT ALL HIS MONEY IN
COMPARATIVE RELIGION AND FOUND OUT HE
HAD NO RELIGION AT ALL*** ( SEE TESTIMONY OF
BENJAMIN-- COMPARE TIMELINE)***NOT BASED
ON THE WORD OF GOD.
SO NOT ONLY DOES HE GET KICKED OUT OF HIS CHURCH….
I HAD BEEN ASKED TO LEAVE MY CHURCH IN 1991
BY THE PASTOR, after months of struggling to hold
on to my faith, in the presence of a congregation,
who couldn't look my the eye, nor I them, not in love.
DAVID : …. HIS OWN FAMILY IS FIXIN ' TO KICK HIM OUT…
*** JUST A MONTH FROM THIS TIME IN JULY 2001
I WOULD BE ASKED BY MY FATHER NOT TO RETURN
FOR AWHILE TO EASE STRESS ON MY STEPMOTHER,
AND THEN A COUPLE OF DAYS LATER AFTER ANNOUNCING
TO MY MOTHER THAT I WOULD BE ATTENDING A SERVICE
THAT EVENING (SATURDAY) AND NOW INTENDED TO
START KEEPING SABBATH …MY MOTHER BECAME VERY
ANGRY AND ENDED UP SCREAMING , TELLING ME TO
LEAVE HER HOME AND NEVER RETURN***
DAVID : ….. THAT'S WHAT THIS MESSAGE DOES,
THIS MESSAGE PERMITS YOU TO BE SEPARATE FROM THE WORLD...
*** MY FAMILY HAS SINCE ACCEPTED ME WITH MY
BELIEFS THOUGH NOT MY BELIEFS ALTHOUGH THEY
DO HEED Predictions WHICH DO NOT REQUIRE THEM
TO EMBRACE MY DOCTRINAL BELIEFS, my Dad has
taken out flood insurance on his house, and you just
let me mention to someone that I think I am concerned
about them that the spirit of God has shown me something,
all of sudden it doesn't matter what my beliefs are, how I view
scripture, in that moment, they just want one thing,
" is it about me? What is it? ***
DAVID : …..BECAUSE THE WORLD HAS NOTHING IN THIS
TRUTH..BECAUSE THIS IS THE BIBLE WHICH THEY KNOW NOT ******
…. AND NOW THAT STEVE IS KICKED OUT, WHAT DOES HE DO ?
DOES HE JUST STAND ALOFT, NO HE HAS TO GIVE THEM THE MESSAGE
**** WHAT MESSAGE??...indeed, come and see.***
DAVID : …AND WHEN HE GIVES THEM THE
MESSAGE GUESS WHAT HAPPENS?…
ITS BITTER TO THE BELLY ISNT IT STEVE?
The ones I love the most in this world, seem lost to the truth,
they wonder, they watch, they humor me, they ask me for the
winning lottery numbers and have admitted that they are willing
to accept me as a psychic, but I really don't think many of
them understand the truth of this message.
****...THE MESSAGE THAT IS BITTER TO THE BELLY
is the 7TH ANGELS MESSAGE.
OFTEN SINCE, I HAVE HAD A SWEET TASTE IN MY MOUTH KNOWING THAT
GOD HAD GIVEN A PLAN OF SALVATION FOR ME TO PRESENT TO MY LOVED ONES…
…BUT UPON DIGESTION OF THEIR UNBELIEF THE SAME BECAME BITTER,
as I knew, I knew what was coming, I have sat at a computer and sobbed like a child
on more than one occaision, before sending these letters, the only hope I have for my
family is to perform his will that he might deliver them according to his promise.
HORROR HATH TAKEN HOLD UPON MY SPIRIT FOR THE WICKED THAT FORSAKE THY LAW -----
-PSALMS 119
MON JUNE 2001 (NEXT MORN about 5 AM)
NOW BACK IN TX. ON PHONE TO CLIVE:
STEVE : CLIVE I JUST GOT BACK FROM MISSISSIPPI, I WAS
ON THE WAY BACK TO NC WHEN DAVID SPOKE TO ME, IT WAS ON THE TAPE
---THE ONE YOU TOLD ME TO LISTEN TO YOU REMEMBER WHERE
HE"S TALKING TO A GUY NAMED STEVE
CLIVE : WHICH ONE?
SC : THE BIRD …
CLIVE : I HAVENT LISTENED TO THAT ONE IN A WHILE...
SC : HE'S (DAVID) TALKING TO THIS GUY NAMED STEVE AND HE
SAYS STEVE HAS TO GIVE THEM THE MESSAGE, NOW I KNOW HE
WAS SPEAKING TO A GUY NAMED STEVE IN THE CONGREGATION,
BUT I BELIEVEVE THE SPIRIT OF PROPHECY WAS SPEAKING
THROUGH TIME AND NO ONE WAS AWARE OF IT…..I BELIVE I'VE BEEN
GIVEN THE 7TH ANGELS MESSAGE,, HAS THE STEVE ON THE TAPE OR
ANY OTHER STEVE EVER COME AND CLAIMED TO HAVE THE 7TH ANGELS MESSAGE?
CLIVE : NO
SC : CLIVE IT WAS LIKE COMMUNION , LIKE I HAD BECOME ONE WITH
THE WORD , AND I KNEW UNDERSTOOD THE PROPHETS,...I T WAS LIKE
WHEN A MAN KNOWS A WOMAN… I WAS GIVEN THE MESSAGE OF THE 7TH ANGEL…
CLIVE : WHAT IS THE 7TH ANGELS MESSAGE?
SC : I CAN'T TELL YOU, ... it's not time. It's for the time of the end,
and that's soon, but not yet.
"I've got a secret, that I'd like you to understand...see the book,
there in the angels hand...the book of Daniel has message,
A message for you..."
AT THIS POINT I TRIED TO PROPHESY TO CLIVE SOMETHING. Actually it would be to Edna,
I would speak to her on the phone that morning, and it would my last time speaking to her on this earth
. . TO MY KNOWLEDGE, the thing NEVER CAME TO PASS not saying it didn't just that to my
knowledge it didn't, BUT THIS ACTION FULFILLED ANOTHER PROPHESY, I had prophecied
against myself prior to going to Waco, spoken fears that I would go, and prophesy, and it would
not come to pass. This would be forgotten by me for a year, but God knew what he was doing.
God was teaching me what the Baptist Church did not. He was teaching me about prophecy.
Did you know a prophet can lose Job? Did know that A true prophet of God can do what he has
been told to do, and be made a "false prophet" at least percievedly so by the hand of God?
Do you think me a liar...read the book of Jonah, see for yourself. Now history records Jonah as
being a prophet, a true prophet, and God saw to that, but in the face of Ninevah's revival, as God
turned away his judgement, Jonah got really angry with God...
"were not these my words?"...didn't I say what you told me too. Jonah percieved himself to have
been made a false prophet, he was angry...hmmm, on so many levels...I have to say, go figure.
Did you know a prophet can prophesy a thing incorrectly and still be a true prophet of God? It's true,
a prophet can speak presumptuously, but there is a penalty for such. It's recorded in the scriptures.
I WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT THERE IS AS MUCH
POWER IN PROPHESY FULLFILLED AS IN PROPHESY GIVEN,
PROPHESY FULLFILLED ALLOWS the heart to be
receptive as it BRINGS NEW REVELATION.
Now again, I make no claims as to being a prophet, but I do get visions, and I do prophesy,
and I do have several accounts of natural disasters which I forwarned of documented with
government agencies, events which were warned ahead some by days, some by months,
some in vague reference and some in great detail.
I do not claim to be a psychic anymore than I do to be a prophet, but I do witness the
tangible evidence of entitites which are beyond the range of normal human eyesight,
and I do relay messages from time to time as I am told to.
I do not claim to be the next leader of the Branch Davidian Church, though I maintain
that I was told one night in my bed, having been awakened to have a conversation with
an entity I could not see that I "was going to finish the work which David Koresh Started."
I am still a little unclear as to just what exactly that means.
I don't know exactly what I am, or my role in the grand picture, I guess only God and history will reveal such.
I do have my suspicions, strong suspicions, and I do strongly advise that you...
"Watch and Pray."
TIMELINE OF CRIDER MINISTRY AND PREDICTIONS
December 10th, 1986 Billy Steven "Steve" Crider, a 18 year old drug dealer, accepts Christ. Joins the
Independant Fundamental Baptist Church.
Winter 1987, Crider accepts the calling to preach, announces to the astonishment of
others that He would Marry Cythina Ivey, a known stranger to him. Cites to 3 preachers
that God had told him. Less than 2 years later, all 3 participated in the ceremony.
1989, Crider announces to wife and church they were going to have a child.
He is mocked, as wife annouces he is 'crazy' as her time, was not even due
for 2 weeks. 2 weeks pass. No period. At the end of a week, a nervous
Cynthia, went to a Gynecologist, annouces resuslts days later, she was not only
pregnant, but 3 weeks pregnant.
Crider deemed odd, but noted for both insight and doctrinal stances which pointed to the need for reform
in the Independant Baptist Movement, a movement which has it's roots in Waco Texas.
April 1993-Jan 1995 Crider openly preaches Koresh, immediately drawing parallells to Christ
The list which at that time consisted of just a handfull of these, would grow as time passed
and he would learn more of David's history.
- They both died in the same month...
- They both died around the time of the Passover.
- Both of thier deaths could be typified by an animal slain on the day of atonement,
- Christ the Blood Offering, the lamb of God, the first of the animals slain on the day
of Atonement, Koresh the Burnt Offering, the Bullock, the second of the animals
slain on the day of atonement.
- Both of thier followers were reported to have believed them to be the Son of God (reported).
- Both died at the age of 33,
- Both were carpenters,
- Both of their followers fought the governments who came to apprehend them,
- Both prophesied their deaths accurately,
- Both prophecied they would return to this earth
- Both were considered "cult" leaders by the religious mainstream of their day
- Both preached in near an area called Palestine
- Both were accused of the most destestable crime of thier day
- Both of their accusers were amongst disgruntled religous factions
from thier own prior affiliations
- Both were placed into the hands of the government who slew them
based upon false accusations
January 15/16, 1995 Crider Voices begin, cited in medical records as the date
in which the phenomenon began.
Jan 16,1995 just after 12:00 AM Sudden Thunderstorm, Thunderings, lightnings
Jan 16,1995 Kobe Japan, the worst Earthquake of 1995, would displace 5000 homes.
Jan 17-29,1995 Crider witnesses Heavenly argument, remains silent about that he is
encountering
Jan 28-30 ,1995 Crider, having openly preached Koresh for nearly 2 years to friends begins for
the first time to witness to family.
Jan 31,1995 Crider committed for preaching Koresh, documented in medical records
as claiming that the seals had been opened. Committed on a hideous Lie, allegations
which he denied and which would remain hidden for over a decade. Openly reports
being spoken to by David Koresh, and having visions.
February 1995, Crider having recieved visions, accurately forecast outcome of the OJ Simpson
trial, and the timeline and region of a flood in California
February - March Crider makes many accurate predictions which were immediately fulfilled,
Makes several long ranges forecast including one He did not understand, but
spake as instructed
"a false prophet will go to Waco, Call Down fire from heaven and David Koresh
would rise from the Ashes to be the anti-Christ" A prophecy he would struggle with
having known what he accepted prior in 1993 and would not understand it until long after it's fulfillment
on April 19, 2007 under the acts of a self proclaimed prophet whose claim is disputed,
one in which Charles Pace would declare a fire set at Mt. Carmel as an act of Divine intervention
to separate the identity of David Koresh from that of Vernon Howell. The David Koresh of
Mr. Pace's preaching that rose from the Ashes of Mr. Paces fire would, be a false personae,
a fallicy an Anti-Christ. Not only would the persona Mr. Pace created to serve
his ends be a false Koresh, denied by those who knew him in this life, who loved him and love him still.
But Pace could no more separate David Koresh from Vernon Howell, than he Could Israel from Jacob.
Just as Israel and Jacob are one in the Same, David and Vernon are not two entities, but two eras
of the same person. David Koresh Born Vernon Howell is one person and
IS NOT THE DAVID KORESH AT MT. CARMEL the "maniacle pervert" of Mr. Pace's Preaching.
I once asked Enda Doyle of such things, She told me, they (Branch Davidian survivorsat Mt. Carmel in
2001 attending Sabbath school studies under Clive) all had heard the rumours, but none of them,
NONE of those who she metnitoned, by her report had witnessed such. She assured me that
they had indeed discussed these things amongst themselves, to search the matter out, the did not
condone such behavior, and seached the matter out.
I am full aware of the reports, I made inquiries of those who knew him, who said they had heard the
same, but never witnessed it, Whatever image David portrayed to the world, or whatever image
the world has projected of his person in the form of those hideous accusations, those who loved him do
not believe it of him, they believe he was a servant of God and a prophet as do I, and I point that
by the very nature of the most common accusation placed
against him, suceeded in turning the hearts of the fathers to the children, as only parent can speak
that accusation with proper indignation. David was condemned by a nation full of self righteous hypocrisy,
and openly condemned by a president who would teach us that a blow job from his less than half his age,
not his wife, intern was not Sex. It is my strong opinion that Mr. Pace openly disputed David
when he was alive and now claims a front of spritiality embracing the notoriety of 1993 to fuel his ambitions.
March 1995- October 1996 Crider placed on a cocktail of Meds that would render him lethargic
and doped, sleeping 19-22 hours a day for nearly two years. Stops
preaching gains 100 lbs.
1996 Crider goes to Tx for the express purpose of getting off meds which were"draining his
lifeforce" Learns of an old man named David Koresh who Lives less than 80 miles
From Waco, in a town in which relatives of David Koresh born Vernon Howell
were reported to have lived.
1997
Crider begins to be taught doctrine by the Spirit. Starts vacillating between two doctrines, on the hand
preaching Koresh, and that he had witnessed, and on the other seeming to Persecute Koresh for a time,
struggling to recieve "new Light" knowing he had been told to warn that "a false prophet will go to Waco,
Call Down fire from heaven and David Koresh would rise from the Ashes to be the anti-Christ" Crider never
doubted that he had been told to do such nor that he was instructed by the Spirit of God. But continually
placed different meanings on the warning as he sought to understand the content knowing the truth which
the Spirit bore witness to in his heart conflicted with his lack of understanding. His search for meaning to
the warning, forced him to search the scriptures. For almost 5 years Crider preached two opposing doctrines,
the truth of what he witnessed, in light of the truth of what he was taught. He never dogmatically chose a side
in that timeframe, but recognized the importance to confront both issues. Always reverting to a "wait and see"
but maintaining "theres something going on" attitude.
October 1999. Crider visits Mt. Carmel twice, briefly meets Amo Roden and Edna Doyle in passing as a
tourist, recieving literature and making breif inquiries of both.
Winter 2000, Crider prophecies to David Thibobdeau on phone "a false prophet will go to Waco,
Call Down fire from heaven and David Koresh would rise from the Ashes to be the anti-Christ"
Mr. Thibodeau dismissed himself, politely and ended the call.
July 2000 Freak snowstorm in Africa
September 2000, Crider has Vision of David Koresh, hears "Behold, I give you a new name,
Benjamin" Crider reports that David smiled and tells Crider that he will not see him again in this Earth.
September 2000 Crider notices that the doctrine on the Sevenseals.com site under Renos Avraam is highly remeniscent of that taught to him by the spirit.
2002/2003 Crider warns of coming famine to citizens in NC, Central Texas and Ron Goins on the front lawn
Of Clive Doyle's Double wide Mt. Carmel home.
2003 Crider begins to prophesy from the book of Nahum places events of 9-11 as fulfillment
of Revelations chapter 18, not very well recieved.
December 2003 Crider in the Home of Clive Doyle, announces he has a message for the church.
Cites that he has a message about the feast days, and another on Generations.
April 1-7, 2003, in La Grange Texas, Crider writes a letter to CLive Doyle, expresses concerns
that Texas is about to experience strong flodding event, Crider based concerns on reading
a letter form Koresh to the FBI, warning of a quake fault beneath the damn at lake Waco, coupled
with the fact that Ohio recieved an earthquake on the morning in which Crider was to write Clive, 2 days
after Crider prophecied such to residents of La Grange Texas. Less than 5 days after sending the letter to Clive,
President Vicente' Fox declares Piedras Negras (Black Rock) Mexico the worst natural disaster in the regions
history as the border town comminites of Eagle Pass Texas, and Piedras Negras Mexico recieve major River flooding.
Feb 2005, Crider begins to warn of Flooding in Central Texas in May, cites to many including
Clive Doyle the timeline, cites Dallas, Waco, Austin, San Antonio and Beaumont to at least
two individuals, cites partial lists to many others.
Feb - May Crider would Recieve at least Two more visions, 3 total of Flooding in the region,
assumes that he is witnessing one event.
May 1-7 2005 storms rage thru central Texas, Dallas, and Austin would recieve flash flooding, thousands
Crider Calls Waco, leaves message on answering machine, "Clive this is not what I saw, at least
not altogether, I saw more than one, it's not over, you guys are still gonna get it, the Large flooding I saw is still coming"
2 days later,Waco gets heavy storms, Waco would get first Tornado to hit the Downtown area in
nearly half a century or more.
May 19th 2005, Crider sends email to self for timedate and reference as Sabbath is about to begin.
Cites all five cities, explains that 3 were hit in first of month, that the large flooding warned of is still
coming by months end. explains he had more than one vision. Now includes entire region of central,
southeastern and east Texas in warning as well.
May 22 2005 after Sabbath, cirder prints email of 19th, writes a handwritten meesage announcing
that storms witnessed in vision are now over California.
Last 3 days of May 2005,
central, southeastern and eastern Texas regions suffer widespread flooding, Houston, Fannet, Corpus Christi
among those hit, two cities from Criders list of five also suffer flooding, San Antonio and Beuamont, the
remaining two cities on the list.
June 2005 Crider witnesses waking vision of a swirled dark ominous cloud, concerned of Tornado to
strike Hope Mills, Grays Creek area, sends another email. prints out the email, which told of the events
of May, and describes most recent concerns, mails the same to local meterologist. next day violent
storm with tornadic conditions, hail, lightning, excessive winds reported on news, the outbreak was
sudden and contained to a small area of about 6 miles. Crider's Mothers Grays Creek Home in
epicenter of storm map. No tornado reported.
Crider sends more warnings.
July/August Crider witnesses funnel cloud, ambulance is blown of road, Crider passes ambulance in
ditch minutes later. Crowds in Grays creek report the cloud, some capture photos. No official report ever sufaced.
In reminding Clive of the letter, and the claim that had been made, Crider announced to Clive, that
Mr. Pace's actions on April 19,2007 fulfilled the prophecy which had been proclaimed since 1995, that warned of
a false prophet to go to Waco...and call down fire from heaven, that (a false) David Koresh would rise From
The ashes to be the Anti-Christ. Crider Cited To Clive, based upon such events, that the stage was set
for God to Deliver Mt. Carmel into his hand.
Oct 12, 2006 on anniversary of King Cyrus victory over Babylon, at 3:00 PM Crider told to go send
warning from God. warns of coming famine, food shortages, long cold winter. sends email at 3:48 PM.
As Crider types, Buffalo NY,a freak lake effect snowstorm while surface temp was around 70 degrees, would bring
a blizzard that would break record 137 years old. Crider warns of an unusual Famine in which the issue
will not be availabilty, but affordabilty of food, followed by a brief relief, and then followed by a Traditional
Famine Caused by acts of God and Nature. In the next year Crider prophecies extensively to private individuals
media personalities, Government agencies and members of the meterological community. Beginning with
a general outline and warning of famine looming on October 12, 2006, followed by rapid numbers of predictions in the
winter and Spring of 2007. The number 93, comes up repeatedly. Between October of 2006 and October 2007
Food prices would increase sharply by percentile which was greater in a single year than nearly two decades
which preceded it, and greater nearly than the entire accumulated percentage of the decade prior.
December 2006, Crider begins to warn that Central Texas is going to flood soon, not sure of the date,
but knows it will be earlier than 2005.
January 2007- 80% of Californina's fruit harvest would be wiped out by a freak storm, which
blanketed 9 states with severe winter weather, taking at least 65 lives and ending mildly on the
east coast, bringing light snow and Ice to North Carolina, as Crider had been warning for 2 months
that NC would recieve a winter storm, one that would be called a Bad storm, in the last two weeks
of January.
January/February 2007, Crider begins warning of visions, of flooding to affect 5 states, possibley due to
the Mississippi or Missouri by the acount of his visions, also cites concerns for flooding in central Texas,
and a timeline of late April, Begins calling for prayer for Texas.
February 22 2007, Crider begins warning that concerns which had been associated with Central Texas,
were going to hit much sooner than anticiapted, highlights that perceptions wer being challenged, and cites
a timeline of 2-3 weeks forward, in Mid March. March 13, 2007 Central Texas floods,
May June 2007, Crider reminds Clive Doyle in Phone call that he had sent a letter in late 2006, citing that
God had told him that Mt. Carmel was going to be delivered into his hand, a letter which stated that it would
not be for the purpose of pacing the them back on the property. A letter which requested that his claims be made
to the rest of the survivors, as well, that he had a message of New Light, to present, on the Generations of God.
In reminding Clive of the letter, and the claim that had been made, Crider announced to Clive, that
Waco Tribune reports that Charles Pace announced plans to build and old testament style temple
Crider recounts Mr. Paces former actions and recalls having spoken in the Crider Spirit a false prophet to go to Waco...and call down fire from heaven, that (a false) David Koresh would rise From
The ashes to be the Anti-Christ. Crider Cited To Clive, based upon such events, that the stage was set
for God to Deliver Mt. Carmel into his hand.
Late April, heavy rains and melting snow packs cause Missouri river to flood 1st week of May, 5 states devastated by Missouri River, worst on the Missourri River since 1993.
June 19-21 2007 Crider warns that there will be Globally acknowledged shortages in
Fruit Supply soon, continues to warn people to buy rice, a warning which were being given since 2003,
In September, after Dean the first Category 5 storm to enter
the Gulf of Mexico since 1993,and at least two other storms devastate Central American fruit crops in
Mexico, A Globally acknowledged shortage in the food supply would be published by News agencies.
Crider warned verbally for to months and in writing on Aug 5th that a "Cat 5" storm would enter the
Gulf of Mexico. Dean formed on...
August 5 2007 Crider expounds on Revelations chapter 12, shows the earth in the alignment
of Virgo, worries that seals are being opened in Heaven, and then on earth, evidence of the former
revealed by forshadowing events in the latter. Cites concerns that 6th seal has been opened in Heaven,
expresses fears that if it is opened on earth, there will be no holding back the events to follow.
Points out that events were coded in the prophecies, potints to scheduled perseids Meteor shower
to occur on August 12, 2007, in which one falling star per minute will be witnessed
(stars falling from heaven) and upcoming Lunar eclipse for August 28 (Moon turning to Blood)
expresses concern that placing anticipations of known events, that in light of passages in Revelations
6-8 he expects a "great" earthquake using same language presented in Revelations, cites
expectations to occur within two weeks. Starts illuminating on the process
by which predictions have come to being presented.
August 7-9 3 large quakes make headlines in the 24 hours. Earthquake activity
around the Globe spikes sharply in the weeks which followed.
August 15, 2007 Peru struck with 8.0 magnitude quake, 5th strongest quake in history, 2nd by region.
Aug.14-16 2007 Crider openly warns of Category 5 to go into gulfMaking landfall on the 22nd...The first
Category 5 storm to enter the Gulf of Mexico sinmce 1993.
Meanwhile summer floods bring Famine to North Korea.
Aug 26 2007 Crider contacts San Diego OES, include a warning that they were about to recieve an
earthquake, one specified earlier in the month as not a microquake, two days later on ...
August 28, 2007 San Diego recieves 3.7 mag at Ocotillo Wells.
Septmeber 12, Crider announces "this is it" in reference to tropical storm, sitting off of the
coast of Texas to be the fulfillment of a hurricane to strike Galveston, one which Crider warned
of since June. Hours Later, Hurricane Humberto caught Galvestonians off guard and made the
histrory books as the fastest storm on record form invest to hurricane to landfall in under 16 hours.
October 2007 Crider warns of an approaching interstellar war. Bases concerns on revelation
of such in scripture, warns that the Merkobah approaches. January, 2008.....just North of Waco,
Stephenville Texas UFO citings. Also there were noatable citings in 1993.
Many events transpire between September 2007 and December 2007. Crider pleads for a call
to revival. Predictions begin to come from scriptural understanding and understanding the past,
Crider studies historical Data, announces in late December to Clove Doyle that he has found a pattern of events
which cluster around signifigant years in the formation of the church, particularly the changing of heirarchy
in what rose to be the Branch Davidian Church Under David Koresh. Clive confirms that David had asked him
to prepare a chart containing similiar data, Prior to April 19 1993. States that he never completed the Chart.
Crider, maintaining for years that he made no claims to be a Prophet, but adamently stood ground that he
had been commisioned to finish the work that David Koresh strarted. Crider announces to group
that he will be brought into the fullness of his ministry in 2008. Explains that Prophecy is more about understanding
the past, than predicting the future. Crider announces that certain events happened wihtout fail on periodic intervals,
Tells Clive Doyle in late December 2007, that amongst these events norabale race riots
occuring without fail on US soil, all the way back to 1830,
and re-occurring in each timeframe in which a new messenger arrived on the scene. Crider forms the thesis,
that the sole reason for judgement stated in Genesis upon the Generation of Noahs day, was violence to a level which
filled the globe. Thesis surmised that this world has come dangerously close to a final judgement on many occaisons.
Pleads the immenient crisis demands immediate revival. Warns expectaition of more riots, cites that in 1980 as Vernon
Howell would in that year first visit Mt. Carmel, The Mimai Dade riots broke out, due to the aquittal if 4 Miami Dade
police officers in the brutal beating of a minority who later died of his injuries. A young hot shot U.S. Attorney General
Janet Reno resided as the prosecuting attorney. Crider cited that this was only one of multitudes of such "coincidences".
" Without a living prophet, there has never been a time when the church has moved
forward in truth, there has never been a time when the church moved forward in the
Spirit of truth and Unity, without a living prophet to guide that truth"
-- David Koresh, born Vernon Howell
"If they want to know this truth, the mysteries of God concerning the seven seals as
it was written, as it was declared unto his servants the prophets, they are gonna have
to come to where this truth is being presented...they are gonna have to come to Waco."
-- David Koresh, born Vernon Howell
My Name is Billy Steven Crider, My God given name is Benjamin, behold I tell you that Christ has a new name.
I shew you a mystery. I highly reccomend you buy Rice. And I admonish you to watch and pray.
Happy Sabbath
- Steve
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Let the Living, Live Still
- A poem by Billy Steven, "Steve" Crider, Benjamin
Let the dead bury the dead. Let the living, live still.
No more trees standing firm as love's former testament, braving the winds of ill will.
No groundskeeper beholds birds chirping, tasting the salt of a days labor now passed,
The groundskeeper's green pastures, once fertile, now but a field,
Thorns and thistles now rule the ground which once to children and dog's playing, did yield.
The air now silent, no more stones in their places to mark the land you loved so dear,
No marker for love remembered through life's losses, no bluebird's songs grace the ear,
A mystery to most, a mockery to many,
Search the truth that remains, Dear children of Light,
Can you see any?
An ant hill to some, a castle for others,
But to those with the birthright, it was a home and a kingdom,
Represented by your Children, your Fathers', your Mothers'.
Contention is abomination between lovers, brothers and "Love" spoken a lie
Sell tickets, offer rides? What were you thinking? Is that a beam in "my eye?"
I offer a mystery, my word you should try...
Called by the God of Zechariah, to pry:
A bastard once governed Judah A Jebusite by birthright, and an heir by the promise.
Behold two branches in my hand join together, a third goes from among us.
The truth is for lovers'; a reward of praying, to those seeking,
A pearl of great price you'll find searching, the secret worth keeping.
A thing need be purchased, but was not meant for sale:
Memorials are for the living, whose faith doth not fail.
To those called to your purpose, you need know no shame,
Honor above possessions, you, called according my name,
A proclamation I tell you, that Your prayers have been heard,
He's sent you his servant, it's written in his word,
He's shown me his secrets, your healing, now his will...
"Let the dead, bury the dead"...Let the living, live still.
"No retreats, No regrets"
Micah 4:6
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